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Re: Strange range

From Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: Strange range
Date 2016-04-01 18:43 +0300
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Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>:

> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 1:34 AM, Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> wrote:
>> However, doesn't that extra level of indirection seem like an odd
>> choice?
>
> No; a range object is an entity in itself. You can test if something's
> within the range:
>
>>>> 5 in range(2,10)
> True
>>>> 5 in range(2,10,2)
> False
>
> You can ask how many numbers are in the range:
>
>>>> len(range(2,10,2))
> 4
>
> You can even ask what position a number would be in, if you index
> through the range:
>
>>>> range(3,100,3).index(57)
> 18
>
> Iterators can't do any of this, except the 'in' check, which is
> destructive and O(N).

I can't think of a situation where I would have needed those things. I'm
hard-pressed to find an example of noniterator usage of range in the
standard library, for example. Here the only counterexample that caught
my eye among the first couple of hundred of occurrences:

   reversed(range(len(self)))


Marko

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Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-01 16:15 +0300
  Re: Strange range Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 00:24 +1100
  Re: Strange range Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-04-02 00:26 +1100
    Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-01 17:12 +0300
      Re: Strange range Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-04-01 10:39 -0400
    Re: Strange range Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 16:16 +0200
      Re: Strange range Jussi Piitulainen <jussi.piitulainen@helsinki.fi> - 2016-04-01 17:28 +0300
      Re: Strange range Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 01:31 +1100
        Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-01 17:34 +0300
          Re: Strange range Jussi Piitulainen <jussi.piitulainen@helsinki.fi> - 2016-04-01 17:44 +0300
          Re: Strange range Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 01:45 +1100
            Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-01 18:43 +0300
          Re: Strange range Erik <python@lucidity.plus.com> - 2016-04-01 20:58 +0100
            Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-01 23:14 +0300
              Re: Strange range Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2016-04-01 20:21 +0000
                Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-01 23:44 +0300
              Re: Strange range Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-04-02 21:09 +1100
                Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-02 13:48 +0300
          Re: Strange range Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2016-04-02 12:47 -0700
            Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-02 23:44 +0300
              Re: Strange range Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 07:05 +1000
                Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-03 00:40 +0300
                Re: Strange range Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2016-04-02 14:50 -0700
                Re: Strange range Stephen Hansen <me+python@ixokai.io> - 2016-04-02 23:43 -0700
                Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-03 09:58 +0300
                Re: Strange range Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 17:10 +1000
                Re: Strange range Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-04-03 09:28 -0700
                Re: Strange range Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-04-04 13:21 +0100
                Re: Strange range Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 17:08 +1000
              Re: Strange range Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-04-03 14:43 +1000
                Re: Strange range Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-04-03 01:20 -0400
                Re: Strange range Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-04-03 15:28 +1000
      Re: Strange range Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-04-01 17:32 +0300
  Re: Strange range Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-04-01 10:42 -0400
  Re: Strange range Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 01:50 +1100
  Re: Strange range Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 08:52 -0600

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