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From	Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk>
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Subject	Re: Removing influences from a language
Date	2026-02-02 02:32 +0000
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On 09/11/2025 20:07, weirdly, bart wrote:
> On 09/11/2025 16:17, bart wrote:

>> Or there are always refactoring tools.
> 
> Do you mean layout or reformatting tools?  Refactoring is changing the
> source code, such as renaming identifiers consistently, or pulling parts
> of a function out to separate functions.  If you think reformatting
> tools are going to be heavily used in a language, then I think the
> language design is questionable - and if the reformatting tools are
> going to change something other than white space, the design has serious
> problems.

If refactoring activities are going to be done a lot then the language
design is excellent. If refactoring tools are used throughout all those
activities then they were easy to create for all varieties of
refactoring and the language is superb. If the language has
generalisation directives and identification statements instead so you
can write down that you /would/ have refactored and get a similar effect
directly then it's damn-near perfect.

-- 
Tristan Wibberley

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Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-08 16:16 +0000
  Re: Removing influences from a language Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-09 12:30 +0200
    Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-09 12:22 +0100
      Re: Removing influences from a language "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2025-11-09 14:20 +0100
      Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 14:09 +0000
        Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-09 15:40 +0100
          Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 15:17 +0000
            Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-09 17:42 +0100
              Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 20:07 +0000
              Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:32 +0000
            Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:35 +0000
              Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 00:56 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 01:02 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 01:12 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 03:51 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 09:14 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 11:00 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 14:13 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 16:20 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 17:33 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 21:01 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-11 12:33 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 03:13 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-11 12:59 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-11 15:08 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:44 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-11 23:16 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 03:09 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-02 11:32 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-02 16:32 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-08 15:52 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-08 17:51 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-09 16:58 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-09 18:01 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-09 23:44 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 06:41 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-10 14:40 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-09 23:40 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-05 19:49 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-06 03:01 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-11 12:07 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-11 22:44 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-12 16:56 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-08 11:01 +0200
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-08 14:37 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-08 15:57 +0200
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-08 16:34 +0100
              Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:39 +0000
          Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:07 +0000
    Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:59 +0000
  Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 17:16 +0000
  Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 22:39 +0000

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