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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.misc |
| Subject | Re: Removing influences from a language |
| Date | 2025-11-09 12:22 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <10epthm$37jcd$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <10enqc3$2mfn6$1@dont-email.me> <10epqfi$36q28$1@dont-email.me> |
On 09/11/2025 11:30, Mikko wrote:
> On 2025-11-08 16:16:04 +0000, bart said:
>
>> I started to create languages of my own in 1981. Then I thought it was
>> cool to use syntax elements and a few concepts from Algol68, even
>> though my language was much smaller and much simpler.
>>
>> That is still the case, and I have been happy to acknowledge the
>> influence.
>>
>> However, that has now changed. My views of Algol68 have changed
>> significantly. I think now that while it introduced some fresh ideas,
>> the language itself is dreadful, it looks terrible, forces
>> unnecessarily complex ideas upon you, and is overly pedantic in its
>> syntax.
>
> I think the complexity of the language matters less than the comlexity of
> the definition of the language.
>
>> The recent discussions with its aficionados have been unpleasant. They
>> have a proprietorial attitude to the language, staunchly defend ALL of
>> it complexity, and insult anyone who questions the need to grapple
>> with that complexity, such as calling them morons.
>>
>> So, I have decided cut any ties with that language.
>>
>> Mine is anyway already vastly different, and still simpler and easier
>> while having dozens of more practical features.
>>
>> FI OD and CASE
>>
>> I've always used these (usually in lower case - I don't have that
>> stropping nonsense), but I also allow END, END IF and so on.
>
> I think no synonymes is better. And END IF, END LOOP, &c. is better.
>
I would say it is a matter of taste whether you use "if .. fi", "if ...
end", "if ... end if", "if ... begin ... end", "if ... { ... }", or
something else entirely. But I think it is best to be consistent.
Synonyms or alternatives here are a bad idea - they lead to inconsistent
source code that is harder to other people to read and maintain.
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Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-08 16:16 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-09 12:30 +0200
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-09 12:22 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2025-11-09 14:20 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 14:09 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-09 15:40 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 15:17 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-09 17:42 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 20:07 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:32 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:35 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 00:56 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 01:02 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 01:12 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 03:51 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 09:14 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 11:00 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 14:13 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 16:20 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 17:33 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 21:01 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-11 12:33 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 03:13 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-11 12:59 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-11 15:08 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:44 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-11 23:16 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 03:09 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-02 11:32 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-02 16:32 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-08 15:52 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-08 17:51 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-09 16:58 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-09 18:01 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-09 23:44 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 06:41 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-10 14:40 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-09 23:40 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-05 19:49 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-06 03:01 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-11 12:07 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-11 22:44 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-12 16:56 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-08 11:01 +0200
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-08 14:37 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-08 15:57 +0200
Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-08 16:34 +0100
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:39 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:07 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:59 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 17:16 +0000
Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 22:39 +0000
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