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Re: Removing influences from a language

From bart <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.misc
Subject Re: Removing influences from a language
Date 2025-11-09 15:17 +0000
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On 09/11/2025 14:40, David Brown wrote:
> On 09/11/2025 15:09, bart wrote:

>> So I think END style is generally better than braces, and better than 
>> indent-based, which has its own set of problems.
>>
> 
> "end style" or braces is a matter of choice.  I like braces, and find 
> them visually clearer and more suited to a clear and consistent 
> indentation style.  What I would not support is allowing the user to 
> choose "end", "end if", or "fi" according to preference - the language 
> should use one and only one style.

There is another aspect to this.

My view is that matching bracket delimiters of any kind are best suited 
to be used within the same line.

For delimiting content across multiple lines, as happens with braces, I 
think they are poor. They are too insubstantial for a start.

For this reason, I sometimes provide compact alternatives, so there are 
short forms and long forms, example:

    record date1 = (int d, m, y)

    record date2 =
        int d
        int m
        int y
    end

This doesn't stop anyone using a short form across multiple lines, or 
long form on one line; I assume they'll be sensible.

This is a choice I provide. But you can remove the option, and still 
find people imposing their own preferences. You'd need an ultra-strict 
syntax to enforce layout.

Or there are always refactoring tools.

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Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-08 16:16 +0000
  Re: Removing influences from a language Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-09 12:30 +0200
    Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-09 12:22 +0100
      Re: Removing influences from a language "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2025-11-09 14:20 +0100
      Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 14:09 +0000
        Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-09 15:40 +0100
          Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 15:17 +0000
            Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-09 17:42 +0100
              Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 20:07 +0000
              Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:32 +0000
            Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:35 +0000
              Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 00:56 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 01:02 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 01:12 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 03:51 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 09:14 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 11:00 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 14:13 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 16:20 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 17:33 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 21:01 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-11 12:33 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 03:13 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-11 12:59 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-11 15:08 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:44 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-11 23:16 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 03:09 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-02 11:32 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-02 16:32 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-08 15:52 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-08 17:51 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-09 16:58 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-09 18:01 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-09 23:44 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 06:41 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-10 14:40 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-09 23:40 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-05 19:49 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-06 03:01 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-11 12:07 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-11 22:44 +0000
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-12 16:56 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-08 11:01 +0200
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-08 14:37 +0100
                Re: Removing influences from a language Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-08 15:57 +0200
                Re: Removing influences from a language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-08 16:34 +0100
              Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:39 +0000
          Re: Removing influences from a language Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:07 +0000
    Re: Removing influences from a language Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:59 +0000
  Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 17:16 +0000
  Re: Removing influences from a language bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 22:39 +0000

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