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| From | Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.misc |
| Subject | Re: simplicity / complexity |
| Date | 2025-08-27 07:53 +0200 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <108m6ft$fkhm$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 26.08.2025 20:42, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-08-19, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>
> > Well, used software tools (and their updates) required me to at
> > least upgrade memory! (That's actually one point that annoys me
> > in "modern" software development; rarely anyone seems to care
> > economizing resource requirements.)
>
> I doubt it's so much lack of care as it is simply being not a
> priority. [...]
But those are depending each other. - Quoting from your link below...
Wirth:
“Time pressure is probably the foremost reason behind the emergence
of bulky software. The time pressure that designers endure discourages
careful planning. It also discourages improving acceptable solutions;
instead, it encourages quickly conceived software additions and
corrections. Time pressure gradually corrupts an engineer’s standard
of quality and perfection. It has a detrimental effect on people as
well as products.”
And, to be yet more clear; I also think it's [widely] just ignorance!
(The mere existence of the article you quoted below is per se already
a strong sign for that. But also other experiences, like talks with
many IT-folks of various age and background reinforced my opinion on
that.)
> [...]
>
> [1] http://spectrum.ieee.org/lean-software-development
Thanks for the link; worth reading.
(And also learned BTW that I missed that N. Wirth deceased last year.)
> [...]
>
> As to websites and JS libraries, for the past 25 years I've been
> using as my primary one a browser, Lynx, that never had support
> for JS, and likely never will have. IME, an /awful lot/ of
> websites are usable and useful entirely without JS. [...]
Lynx. This is great. - I recall that in the 1990's I had a student in
my team who had to provide some HTML information; I asked him to test
his data in two common browsers (back these days I think Netscape and
the MS IE), and (for obvious reasons), also with Lynx!
(Privately I had later written HTML/JS to create applications (with
dynamic content) since otherwise that would not have been possible;
I had no own server with some application servers available. But I
didn't use any frameworks or external libraries. Already bad enough.)
But even with Browsers and JS activated with my old Firefox I cannot
use or read many websites nowadays; because they demand newer browser
versions.
Janis
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