Re: know its ipad

From	RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au>
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Subject	Re: know its ipad
Date	2011-07-17 19:54 -0700
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On Jul 18, 11:33 am, Andrew Poulos <ap_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> I've worked at companies where they've tried to retrofit assistive
> elements to a web site to make it "fully" accessible. The work was many
> times what it took to build the non-accessible site and placed a
> cognitive load on the users that relied on assistive technologies so
> large that the site was basically unusable for them.
>
> In my opinion a smarter thing to do would've been to have designed a new
> web site with the user that requires assistive technologies as the
> primary user. Yes, it would've meant maintaining the "same" content in
> two different places but *all* users would've had a web site that best
> suited them.
>
> Moving the logic on, this would mean a desktop version, an accessible
> desktop version, a mobile version, and an accessible mobile version.
> Four versions of the same web site!

It is a business decision as to how to meet user requirements based on
the costs and benefits of proposed solutions. If the chosen solution
requires the development different UIs, then fine.

But the issue here is how to make the versions available. It doesn't
make sense to me to limit access based on sniffing particular devices,
when there are so many other variables in the decision of which UI to
use and where the range of devices accessing the site may be way
beyond what was envisaged.

It goes back to the fundamentals of why browser sniffing was a bad
idea. It's still a bad idea for all the same reasons, the two main
ones being that you can't necessarily determine a user's requirements
based on the device they are using, nor can you determine reliablly
*every* device that might access the site.

If different versions are available, let the user decide which one
they want.

--
Rob

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know its ipad Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-12 14:35 +1000
  Re: know its ipad "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2011-07-12 09:04 +0100
    Re: know its ipad Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-12 21:19 +1000
      Re: know its ipad 123Jim <jnkjnjnini@uhnuhnunuhnuy.invalid> - 2011-07-12 13:09 +0100
        Re: know its ipad Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-13 07:35 +1000
          Re: know its ipad 123Jim <jnkjnjnini@uhnuhnunuhnuy.invalid> - 2011-07-13 01:00 +0100
            Re: know its ipad 123Jim <jnkjnjnini@uhnuhnunuhnuy.invalid> - 2011-07-13 01:14 +0100
            Re: know its ipad Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-13 15:57 +1000
              Re: know its ipad RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-07-12 23:29 -0700
                Re: know its ipad RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-07-12 23:31 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-13 17:25 +1000
                Re: know its ipad Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-07-13 12:53 +0200
                Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-13 04:20 -0700
                Re: know its ipad RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-07-13 04:34 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-13 04:58 -0700
                Re: know its ipad 123Jim <jnkjnjnini@uhnuhnunuhnuy.invalid> - 2011-07-13 13:50 +0100
                Re: know its ipad dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-07-13 11:02 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-13 11:59 -0700
                Re: know its ipad 123Jim <jnkjnjnini@uhnuhnunuhnuy.invalid> - 2011-07-13 21:32 +0100
                Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-13 14:28 -0700
                Re: know its ipad 123Jim <jnkjnjnini@uhnuhnunuhnuy.invalid> - 2011-07-13 23:46 +0100
                Re: know its ipad Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-14 10:01 +1000
                Re: know its ipad RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-07-13 16:51 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-14 02:04 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-14 15:11 -0700
                Re: know its ipad RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-07-14 21:54 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Yoda <jorgechamorro@mac.com> - 2011-07-15 03:14 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-07-15 13:06 +0100
                Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-15 08:14 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-07-15 20:00 +0100
                Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-15 12:12 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-07-16 01:14 +0100
                Re: know its ipad Jorge <jorge%jorgechamorro.com@gtempaccount.com> - 2011-07-16 08:56 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-07-16 23:07 +0100
                Re: know its ipad RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-07-17 16:40 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-18 11:33 +1000
                Re: know its ipad RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-07-17 19:54 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-18 02:19 -0700
                Re: know its ipad Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-07-18 21:41 +0200
                Re: know its ipad Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-19 07:13 +1000
                Re: know its ipad Dr J R Stockton <reply1129@merlyn.demon.co.uk> - 2011-07-19 20:18 +0100
                Re: know its ipad Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2011-07-17 10:34 +0200
                Re: know its ipad dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-07-15 09:56 -0700
              Re: know its ipad Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2011-07-13 11:57 +0200
              Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-13 04:13 -0700
        Re: know its ipad Dr J R Stockton <reply1128@merlyn.demon.co.uk> - 2011-07-13 18:19 +0100
          Re: know its ipad "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> - 2011-07-14 08:12 +0000
      Re: know its ipad Richard Cornford <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2011-07-13 08:05 -0700
        Re: know its ipad Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-14 08:34 +1000
  Re: know its ipad Elegie <elegie@anonymous.invalid> - 2011-07-12 10:13 +0200
  Re: know its ipad Ry Nohryb <jorge@jorgechamorro.com> - 2011-07-12 04:19 -0700
  Re: know its ipad Bjoern Hoehrmann <bjoern@hoehrmann.de> - 2011-07-12 13:24 +0200

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