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  Tomcat problem Philthy <philthy@philthy.com> - 2012-12-03 18:28 +1100
    Re: Tomcat problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-03 09:53 -0500
      Re: Tomcat problem Philthy <philthy@philthy.com> - 2012-12-04 03:54 +1100
        Re: Tomcat problem Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-12-03 17:18 +0000
        Re: Tomcat problem markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-03 09:18 -0800
        Re: Tomcat problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-03 12:33 -0500
        Re: Tomcat problem Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-03 11:20 -0800
          Re: Tomcat problem Philthy <philthy@philthy.com> - 2012-12-05 01:22 +1100
            Re: Tomcat problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-04 10:17 -0500
              Re: Tomcat problem Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-12-04 17:04 +0100
                Re: Tomcat problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-04 21:11 -0500
                  Re: Tomcat problem Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-12-05 11:58 +0100
            Re: Tomcat problem markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-04 07:53 -0800
              Re: Tomcat problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-04 21:20 -0500
                Re: Tomcat problem markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-04 20:03 -0800
                  Re: Tomcat problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-05 08:39 -0500
                    Re: Tomcat problem Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-12-05 14:55 +0100
                      Re: Tomcat problem Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-12-05 15:01 +0100
                      Re: Tomcat problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-07 21:47 -0500
            Re: Tomcat problem Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-04 13:05 -0800
    Re: Tomcat problem Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-12-03 18:52 +0100
    Re: Tomcat problem Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-04 15:52 +0100
    Re: Tomcat problem 1connu <1connu999@gmail.com> - 2012-12-04 16:13 +0100
    Re: Tomcat problem Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2012-12-04 17:06 +0100

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#20059 — Tomcat problem

Hi Newsgroup!

I just installed Tomcat on my computer.

I want to copy information from Microsoft Word and paste it into 
Tomcat.  I can't seem to do this because I can't find the Edit menu.

 I am thinking there is something wrong with the Tomcat app because it 
isn't in the start menu and there are no menus.


Thanks.

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#20065

On 12/3/2012 2:28 AM, Philthy wrote:
> I just installed Tomcat on my computer.
>
> I want to copy information from Microsoft Word and paste it into
> Tomcat.  I can't seem to do this because I can't find the Edit menu.
>
> I am thinking there is something wrong with the Tomcat app because it
> isn't in the start menu and there are no menus.

Do you know what Tomcat is?

I can not really see what you expect to be able to do by
copy paste from Word to a servlet container.

Arne

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#20067

On 2012-12-04 01:53:56 +1100, Arne Vajhøj said:

> On 12/3/2012 2:28 AM, Philthy wrote:
>> I just installed Tomcat on my computer.
>> 
>> I want to copy information from Microsoft Word and paste it into
>> Tomcat.  I can't seem to do this because I can't find the Edit menu.
>> 
>> I am thinking there is something wrong with the Tomcat app because it
>> isn't in the start menu and there are no menus.
> 
> Do you know what Tomcat is?
> 
> I can not really see what you expect to be able to do by
> copy paste from Word to a servlet container.
> 
> Arne

Thanks for your help!

I was told that the Tomcat app allows you to publish data to the web. 
So I want to paste a Word document into Tomcat to publish it on the 
web.  I think the Tomcat application is defective because even after I 
installed it, I can't find an Edit menu for it.  There is not even a 
menu for Import from Word. Google is of no use, no one else seems to 
have had the problem I am seeing, surely my Tomcat is not the only 
defective copy.

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#20069

Philthy <philthy@philthy.com> wrote:
> I was told that the Tomcat app allows you to publish data to the web. 
> So I want to paste a Word document into Tomcat to publish it on the 
> web.  I think the Tomcat application is defective because even after I 
> installed it, I can't find an Edit menu for it.

I'm feeling a bit sorry for the fish, but nevertheless here it is:
     ,
 <°((((><
    `

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#20071

On 12/3/2012 8:54 AM, Philthy wrote:

> I was told that the Tomcat app allows you to publish data to the web. So
> I want to paste a Word document into Tomcat to publish it on the web.  I
> think the Tomcat application is defective because even after I installed
> it, I can't find an Edit menu for it.  There is not even a menu for
> Import from Word. Google is of no use, no one else seems to have had the
> problem I am seeing, surely my Tomcat is not the only defective copy.


I'm sure you're trolling us, but whatever.  Here's the instructions you 
didn't read:

<http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/deployer-howto.html>

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#20072

On 12/3/2012 11:54 AM, Philthy wrote:
> On 2012-12-04 01:53:56 +1100, Arne Vajhøj said:
>> On 12/3/2012 2:28 AM, Philthy wrote:
>>> I just installed Tomcat on my computer.
>>>
>>> I want to copy information from Microsoft Word and paste it into
>>> Tomcat.  I can't seem to do this because I can't find the Edit menu.
>>>
>>> I am thinking there is something wrong with the Tomcat app because it
>>> isn't in the start menu and there are no menus.
>>
>> Do you know what Tomcat is?
>>
>> I can not really see what you expect to be able to do by
>> copy paste from Word to a servlet container.

> I was told that the Tomcat app allows you to publish data to the web. So
> I want to paste a Word document into Tomcat to publish it on the web.  I
> think the Tomcat application is defective because even after I installed
> it, I can't find an Edit menu for it.  There is not even a menu for
> Import from Word. Google is of no use, no one else seems to have had the
> problem I am seeing, surely my Tomcat is not the only defective copy.

Tomcat can run a Java web application.

Java web application is Java code (and JSP etc.).

You do not write a Java web application in Word (I hope!).

You are probably looking for a CMS which is a web app
where you just add information.

There are CMS'es that run on Tomcat.

Arne

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#20076

Philthy wrote:
>  Arne Vajhøj said:
>> Philthy wrote:
>>> I just installed Tomcat on my computer.
>>> I want to copy information from Microsoft Word and paste it into
>>> Tomcat.  I can't seem to do this because I can't find the Edit menu.

Try READING THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE PRODUCT.

>>> I am thinking there is something wrong with the Tomcat app because it

You use a product completely incorrectly, without any understanding of what it 
is, without any reference to its documentation, for a task for which it is not designed, 
and you blame the /product/?

Look up "hubris" in the dictionary. It applies to your approach.

>>> isn't in the start menu and there are no menus.

Well, duh.

>> Do you know what Tomcat is?
>> I can not really see what you expect to be able to do by
>> copy paste from Word to a servlet container.
> 
> I was told that the Tomcat app allows you to publish data to the web. 

And you didn't bother to read anything, try to understand anything, follow 
any instructions, or even get the most minimal idea of what Tomcat is.

> So I want to paste a Word document into Tomcat to publish it on the 

Too bad for you.

> web.  I think the Tomcat application is defective because even after I 

Wow. Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ.

PEBKAC

> installed it, I can't find an Edit menu for it.  There is not even a 
> menu for Import from Word. Google is of no use, no one else seems to 
> have had the problem I am seeing, surely my Tomcat is not the only 
> defective copy.

"Your" Tomcat is not defective. 

Learn first. Whine second. Don't blame others for your ineptitude, dude.

-- 
Lew

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#20089

On 2012-12-04 06:20:08 +1100, Lew said:

> Philthy wrote:
>> Arne Vajhøj said:
>>> Philthy wrote:
>>>> I just installed Tomcat on my computer.
>>>> I want to copy information from Microsoft Word and paste it into
>>>> Tomcat.  I can't seem to do this because I can't find the Edit menu.
> 
> Try READING THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE PRODUCT.

This is the problem. The instructions seem to be incomplete because I 
can't find the section about importing from Word.

> 
>>>> I am thinking there is something wrong with the Tomcat app because it
> 
> You use a product completely incorrectly, without any understanding of what it
> is, without any reference to its documentation, for a task for which it 
> isnot designed,
> and you blame the /product/?
> 
> Look up "hubris" in the dictionary. It applies to your approach.
> 
>>>> isn't in the start menu and there are no menus.
> 
> Well, duh.

All apps have menus. Even a mongoloid knows that.

> 
>>> Do you know what Tomcat is?
>>> I can not really see what you expect to be able to do by
>>> copy paste from Word to a servlet container.
>> 
>> I was told that the Tomcat app allows you to publish data to the web.
> 
> And you didn't bother to read anything, try to understand anything, follow
> any instructions, or even get the most minimal idea of what Tomcat is.

The person who advised to use Tomcat works in computers and knows a 
real lot about Javascript and CSS. I trust his advice more than your 
opinion.

> 
>> So I want to paste a Word document into Tomcat to publish it on the
> 
> Too bad for you.

I don't understand why you are being dismissive. I simply asked for 
help thinking that there were people in this chat room who might know 
something about Tomcat. It is pretty obvious that nobody here knows the 
answer.

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#20093

On 12/4/2012 9:22 AM, Philthy wrote:
> On 2012-12-04 06:20:08 +1100, Lew said:
>> Philthy wrote:
>>> Arne Vajhøj said:
>>>> Philthy wrote:
>>>>> I just installed Tomcat on my computer.
>>>>> I want to copy information from Microsoft Word and paste it into
>>>>> Tomcat.  I can't seem to do this because I can't find the Edit menu.
>>
>> Try READING THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE PRODUCT.
>
> This is the problem. The instructions seem to be incomplete because I
> can't find the section about importing from Word.

I am sure your cars owners manual does not specify how to
make lasagne.

That does not mean that your cars owners manual is incomplete.

>>>>> I am thinking there is something wrong with the Tomcat app because it
>>
>> You use a product completely incorrectly, without any understanding of
>> what it
>> is, without any reference to its documentation, for a task for which
>> it isnot designed,
>> and you blame the /product/?
>>
>> Look up "hubris" in the dictionary. It applies to your approach.
>>
>>>>> isn't in the start menu and there are no menus.
>>
>> Well, duh.
>
> All apps have menus. Even a mongoloid knows that.

It would surprise me if people with Dawns Syndrome think so,
but I can not rule out the possibility.

What I do know is that people with a certain level of IT expertise
knows that not all applications has menus.

>>>> Do you know what Tomcat is?
>>>> I can not really see what you expect to be able to do by
>>>> copy paste from Word to a servlet container.
>>>
>>> I was told that the Tomcat app allows you to publish data to the web.
>>
>> And you didn't bother to read anything, try to understand anything,
>> follow
>> any instructions, or even get the most minimal idea of what Tomcat is.
>
> The person who advised to use Tomcat works in computers and knows a real
> lot about Javascript and CSS. I trust his advice more than your opinion.

Knowledge about JavaScript and CSS does not imply knowledge about
Tomcat.

Arne

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#20095

On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 10:17:09 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 12/4/2012 9:22 AM, Philthy wrote:
> [...]

Why do you continue to feed this obvious troll ? Just ignore it until it
goes away. If you feed it too much, it will start coming back here for
more.

Liebe Gruesse,
		Joerg

-- 
Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider
ungelesen.

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#20107

On 12/4/2012 11:04 AM, Joerg Meier wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 10:17:09 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>
>> On 12/4/2012 9:22 AM, Philthy wrote:
>> [...]
>
> Why do you continue to feed this obvious troll ? Just ignore it until it
> goes away. If you feed it too much, it will start coming back here for
> more.

I don't know why this person post like this.

I think it may be a troll.

But I like to act based on what I know not what I think
may be.

If you know something please tell us.

Arne

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#20111

On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 21:11:38 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 12/4/2012 11:04 AM, Joerg Meier wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 10:17:09 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 12/4/2012 9:22 AM, Philthy wrote:
>>> [...]
>> Why do you continue to feed this obvious troll ? Just ignore it until it
>> goes away. If you feed it too much, it will start coming back here for
>> more.
> I don't know why this person post like this.

> I think it may be a troll.

> But I like to act based on what I know not what I think
> may be.

> If you know something please tell us.

Honestly, I don't even know how to respond to that. This is the most
obvious troll in every single way, it's probably the most obvious one I've
ever seen. I'm baffled by the fact that everyone in this newsgroup is
falling for it as if nobody ever trolled here before.

But hey, you go help him find the Tomcat menu entry to import Word data
into his defective copy of Tomcat. Maybe if you try real hard, he will
eventually believe that people in this chat room are as gifted as his CSS
expert friend.

Liebe Gruesse,
		Joerg

-- 
Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider
ungelesen.

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#20094

On 12/4/2012 6:22 AM, Philthy wrote:
>
> This is the problem. The instructions seem to be incomplete because I
> can't find the section about importing from Word.

I'm still 99% sure this is a troll.  No one is this dumb.  However: 
there's no section about importing from Word because Tomcat doesn't do 
that.  It uses its own format, and doesn't read any Microsoft ones.

>
> All apps have menus. Even a mongoloid knows that.

Tomcat isn't an app.  It's a server, and a deamon.  Look those words up.


> I don't understand why you are being dismissive.

Seriously, at your level of apparent expertise, you have no hope of 
getting Tomcat running correctly.  I think your friend who recommended 
it was having some fun at your expense.

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#20108

On 12/4/2012 10:53 AM, markspace wrote:
> On 12/4/2012 6:22 AM, Philthy wrote:
>>
>> This is the problem. The instructions seem to be incomplete because I
>> can't find the section about importing from Word.
>
> I'm still 99% sure this is a troll.  No one is this dumb.  However:
> there's no section about importing from Word because Tomcat doesn't do
> that.  It uses its own format, and doesn't read any Microsoft ones.

Yep.

>> All apps have menus. Even a mongoloid knows that.
>
> Tomcat isn't an app.  It's a server, and a deamon.  Look those words up.

It is a server that can be run as a daemon. It can also be run as
a console app.

And unless one use a very strict separation between applications and
system/infrastructure software then it is also an application itself -
a Java application.

Arne

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#20109

On 12/4/2012 6:20 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 12/4/2012 10:53 AM, markspace wrote:
>> Tomcat isn't an app.  It's a server, and a deamon.  Look those words up.

>
> It is a server that can be run as a daemon. It can also be run as
> a console app.

Huh, is "console app" different from a server/daemon?  I'm just 
wondering because I wasn't aware Tomcat had any other operating modes 
besides "daemon."

>
> And unless one use a very strict separation between applications and
> system/infrastructure software then it is also an application itself -
> a Java application.

Yes, by "app" I assumed the OP meant desktop application or web app 
(application).  Generic applications are "programs" to me, unless 
they're specifically something else (daemon, kernel module, desktop app, 
library, etc.)

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#20113

On 12/4/2012 11:03 PM, markspace wrote:
> On 12/4/2012 6:20 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 12/4/2012 10:53 AM, markspace wrote:
>>> Tomcat isn't an app.  It's a server, and a deamon.  Look those words up.
>>
>> It is a server that can be run as a daemon. It can also be run as
>> a console app.
>
> Huh, is "console app" different from a server/daemon?  I'm just
> wondering because I wasn't aware Tomcat had any other operating modes
> besides "daemon."

The code is no different, but the way you interact with it
is different.

Windows:

daemon => run as windows service, you stop and start via service manager

console app => run in CMS window, you start by running bat file and stop 
with CTRL/C

*nix:

daemon => run in background, you stop and start via the scripts
in init.d (or use one the GUI tools on top of that)

console app => run in xterm, you start by running sh file and
stop with CTRL/C

Arne

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#20114

Arne Vajhøj schrieb:
>
> daemon => run in background, you stop and start via the scripts
> in init.d (or use one the GUI tools on top of that)
>
> console app => run in xterm, you start by running sh file and
> stop with CTRL/C
>
> Arne

I guess CTRL/C will kill the tomcat app.

When running as console app, you can open a second xterm, and
run the stop sh file. This will inform the currently running
tomcat and initiate a proper shutdown sequence.

Instead of keeping the first xterm open, you can also executed
the start sh file instead of the run sh file. But keeping the
first xterm open is sometimes useful, since you can directly
observe in the console what tomcat is doing via what it writes
on stdout/stderr.

But stdout/stderr are also available as log files. So nothing
gets lost when you don't keep the first xterm open.

Web contexts might install some listeners, which will get
informed during shutdown of tomcat, and can do some additional
work during shutdown:

<web-app>
     <!-- Usual stuff here -->
     <listener>
         <listener-class>com.mycompany.MyClass</listener-class>
     </listener>
</web-app>

When using the Tomcat Monitor control on Windows, it will also
shutdown a tomcat app this way, and not simply kill it.

I am not sure whether some newer Tomcat version do also memory
leak detection during shut down, at least it seems to me that
this is done when contexts are reloaded.

Be

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#20115

Jan Burse schrieb:
> I guess CTRL/C will kill the tomcat app.
>
> When running as console app, you can open a second xterm, and
> run the stop sh file. This will inform the currently running
> tomcat and initiate a proper shutdown sequence.
>
> Instead of keeping the first xterm open, you can also executed
> the start sh file instead of the run sh file. But keeping the
> first xterm open is sometimes useful, since you can directly
> observe in the console what tomcat is doing via what it writes
> on stdout/stderr.
>
> But stdout/stderr are also available as log files. So nothing
> gets lost when you don't keep the first xterm open.

These are the commands:

Start and stay in terminal:
$CATALINA_HOME/bin/catalina.sh run

Start and don't stay in terminal:
$CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh

Stop:
$CATALINA_HOME/bin/shutdown.sh

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#20177

On 12/5/2012 8:55 AM, Jan Burse wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj schrieb:
>>
>> daemon => run in background, you stop and start via the scripts
>> in init.d (or use one the GUI tools on top of that)
>>
>> console app => run in xterm, you start by running sh file and
>> stop with CTRL/C

> I guess CTRL/C will kill the tomcat app.
>
> When running as console app, you can open a second xterm, and
> run the stop sh file. This will inform the currently running
> tomcat and initiate a proper shutdown sequence.

> But stdout/stderr are also available as log files. So nothing
> gets lost when you don't keep the first xterm open.
>
> Web contexts might install some listeners, which will get
> informed during shutdown of tomcat, and can do some additional
> work during shutdown:
>
> <web-app>
>      <!-- Usual stuff here -->
>      <listener>
>          <listener-class>com.mycompany.MyClass</listener-class>
>      </listener>
> </web-app>

Good point.

CTRL/C is not the right way.

Arne

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#20102

Philthy wrote:
> Lew said:
>> Philthy wrote:
>>> Arne Vajh�j said:
>>>> Philthy wrote:
>>>>> I just installed Tomcat on my computer.
>>>>> I want to copy information from Microsoft Word and paste it into
>>>>> Tomcat.  I can't seem to do this because I can't find the Edit menu.
> 
>> Try READING THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE PRODUCT.
> 
> This is the problem. The instructions seem to be incomplete because I 
> can't find the section about importing from Word.

The instructions are not incomplete.

There's a very, very good reason why there are no such instructions.

"Importing" into what, do you imagine?

>>>>> I am thinking there is something wrong with the Tomcat app because it
> 
>> You use a product completely incorrectly, without any understanding of what it
>> is, without any reference to its documentation, for a task for which it 
>> is not designed,
>> and you blame the /product/?
>> Look up "hubris" in the dictionary. It applies to your approach.
> 
>>>>> isn't in the start menu and there are no menus.
> 
>> Well, duh.
> 
> All apps have menus. Even a mongoloid knows that.

Wow, really? You know what Tomcat's menu is, brain trust? It's the 
browser menu. Where does the browser say, "Import from Word", huh, genius?

You happen to be mistaken about Tomcat - it doesn't have a menu. As you 
would know had you read the instructions, which clearly you did not.

>>>> Do you know what Tomcat is?
> 
>>>> I can not really see what you expect to be able to do by
>>>> copy paste from Word to a servlet container.
> 
>>> I was told that the Tomcat app allows you to publish data to the web.
> 
>> And you didn't bother to read anything, try to understand anything, follow
>> any instructions, or even get the most minimal idea of what Tomcat is.
> 
> The person who advised to use Tomcat works in computers and knows a 
> real lot about Javascript and CSS. I trust his advice more than your 
> opinion.

You are wrong.

My statements are not opinion. Tomcat does not do what you are trying to do.

>>> So I want to paste a Word document into Tomcat to publish it on the
> 
>> Too bad for you.
> 
> I don't understand why you are being dismissive. I simply asked for 
> help thinking that there were people in this chat room who might know 
> something about Tomcat. It is pretty obvious that nobody here knows the
> answer.

We do know the answer. We've told you the answer. You refuse to accept the answers.

Tomcat does not "import from Word", or any other product. It's an application server.

I am being dismissive because you are disregarding the information we're giving you,
you haven't read the instructions, you have no clue what Tomcat even is or you'd know 
it doesn't do what you're asking for, and you are doing absolutely nothing to educate yourself.
Instead you are arguing with the facts and copping an attitude.

Fooey on you.

-- 
Lew
 

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