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  the Olson Timezone Database Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-14 18:28 -0800
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-14 23:01 -0500
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-14 20:41 -0800
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-15 07:53 -0500
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-02-15 08:45 -0500
            Re: the Olson Timezone Database RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2012-02-15 17:31 +0000
              Re: the Olson Timezone Database RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2012-02-15 17:35 +0000
                Re: the Olson Timezone Database David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-02-15 13:48 -0500
                Re: the Olson Timezone Database Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 14:19 -0500
              Re: the Olson Timezone Database Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 13:46 -0500
                Re: the Olson Timezone Database Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 14:03 -0500
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 20:20 -0500
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-14 21:05 -0800
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.invalid> - 2012-02-16 00:01 +0000
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database markspace <-@.> - 2012-02-15 08:45 -0800
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 20:23 -0500
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-15 21:44 -0500
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:51 -0800
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2012-02-16 18:27 +1100
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-16 11:24 -0800
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-02-16 16:16 -0500
            Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-16 13:31 -0800
            Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-16 20:31 -0500
              Re: the Olson Timezone Database Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-16 20:18 -0800
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2012-02-18 00:59 +1100
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 18:27 -0500
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 20:19 -0500
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 17:26 -0800
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 18:24 -0500
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2012-02-23 07:11 +0000
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-02-23 00:31 -0800
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2012-02-23 21:27 +0000
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-23 14:06 -0800

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#12018 — the Olson Timezone Database

The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.

So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
that database.

A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
business.

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/timezone.html for details.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
One of the most useful comments you can put in a program is 
"If you change this, remember to change ?XXX? too".
 

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#12019

On 2/14/2012 9:28 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
> Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.

     ... as reported in "The Register" -- four months and one
week ago.  In other news, rebels against the Crown are causing
minor disturbances in some of the North American colonies.

> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
> that database.
>
> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
> business.

     You call for acts of vandalism, not only in this newsgroup but
also on your web site?  IANAL, but ISTM that "incitement to offend"
is itself an offense/offence in some jurisdictions.  And even if it's
not actually illegal, it is immoral and despicable to summon hoodlums
to enforce your own ideas of Right.  Vigilantism is not justice.

     I hope you will post a retraction here, and remove the "Burn
their houses down" message from your site.

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

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#12020

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:14 -0500, Eric Sosman
<esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>
>     I hope you will post a retraction here, and remove the "Burn
>their houses down" message from your site.

What I said is already far milder than what I think. This sort of
behaviour in inexcusable, and in the service of ASTROLOGY!!! splutter!

-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
One of the most useful comments you can put in a program is 
"If you change this, remember to change ?XXX? too".
 

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#12028

On 2/14/2012 11:41 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:14 -0500, Eric Sosman
> <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid>  wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
> someone who said :
>
>>
>>      I hope you will post a retraction here, and remove the "Burn
>> their houses down" message from your site.
>
> What I said is already far milder than what I think. This sort of
> behaviour in inexcusable, and in the service of ASTROLOGY!!! splutter!

     You promote vandalism.  That's all I need to know.

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

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#12029

On 15/02/2012 7:53 AM, Eric Sosman wrote:
> On 2/14/2012 11:41 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:14 -0500, Eric Sosman
>> <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
>> someone who said :
>>> I hope you will post a retraction here, and remove the "Burn
>>> their houses down" message from your site.
>>
>> What I said is already far milder than what I think. This sort of
>> behaviour in inexcusable, and in the service of ASTROLOGY!!! splutter!
>
> You promote vandalism. That's all I need to know.

I can't condone vandalism either, but if Roedy had said "let's use 
whatever legal means we can find to fight back" I'd have agreed 
enthusiastically. Creating/joining an Olson Database Legal Defence Fund 
might make sense.

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#12033

On 15/02/2012 13:45, David Lamb wrote:
> On 15/02/2012 7:53 AM, Eric Sosman wrote:
>> On 2/14/2012 11:41 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:14 -0500, Eric Sosman
>>> <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
>>> someone who said :
>>>> I hope you will post a retraction here, and remove the "Burn
>>>> their houses down" message from your site.
>>>
>>> What I said is already far milder than what I think. This sort of
>>> behaviour in inexcusable, and in the service of ASTROLOGY!!! splutter!
>>
>> You promote vandalism. That's all I need to know.
>
> I can't condone vandalism either, but if Roedy had said "let's use
> whatever legal means we can find to fight back" I'd have agreed
> enthusiastically. Creating/joining an Olson Database Legal Defence Fund
> might make sense.
>

Haven't IANA taken over?

http://www.iana.org/time-zones

-- 
RGB

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#12034

On 15/02/2012 17:31, RedGrittyBrick wrote:
> On 15/02/2012 13:45, David Lamb wrote:
>> On 15/02/2012 7:53 AM, Eric Sosman wrote:
>>> On 2/14/2012 11:41 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:14 -0500, Eric Sosman
>>>> <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
>>>> someone who said :
>>>>> I hope you will post a retraction here, and remove the "Burn
>>>>> their houses down" message from your site.
>>>>
>>>> What I said is already far milder than what I think. This sort of
>>>> behaviour in inexcusable, and in the service of ASTROLOGY!!! splutter!
>>>
>>> You promote vandalism. That's all I need to know.
>>
>> I can't condone vandalism either, but if Roedy had said "let's use
>> whatever legal means we can find to fight back" I'd have agreed
>> enthusiastically. Creating/joining an Olson Database Legal Defence Fund
>> might make sense.
>>
>
> Haven't IANA taken over?
>
> http://www.iana.org/time-zones
>


http://www.icann.org/en/news/releases/release-14oct11-en.pdf

October 14, 2011

For Immediate Release

ICANN to Manage Time Zone Database

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) today
took over operation of an Internet Time Zone Database that is used by a 
number of major computer systems.

ICANN agreed to manage the database after receiving a request from the
Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). The database contains time zone 
code and data that computer programs and operating systems such as Unix, 
Linux, Java, and Oracle rely on to determine the correct time
for a given location. Modifications to the database occur frequently 
throughout the year.

"The time zone database is used by a large number of commercial
operating systems and the software applications,” said Russ Housely, 
chairman of the IETF. “Incorrect time zone information will impact
many everyday activities, including meeting and conference call 
coordination, airplane and train schedules, physical package delivery 
notices, and astronomical observatories."

For nearly three decades, the TZ Database had been maintained by a group
of dedicated volunteers, in particular, Arthur David Olson at the US 
National Institutes of Health. Olson coordinated the group,
managed the data, and created a platform for their release.

Olson’s announced retirement prompted the IETF to turn to ICANN to 
ensure continued operation of the database. "The Time Zone Database 
provides an essential service on the Internet and keeping it operational 
falls within ICANN’s mission of maintaining a stable and dependable 
Internet,” said Akram Atallah, ICANN's Chief Operating Officer

-- 
RGB

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#12039

On 15/02/2012 12:35 PM, RedGrittyBrick wrote:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/releases/release-14oct11-en.pdf
> October 14, 2011
> For Immediate Release
> ICANN to Manage Time Zone Database

Yay! No mention of the astrologers, I see.  In any case it would be 
harder to win a fight against ICANN than against a private individual.

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#12041

On 02/15/2012 12:35 PM, RedGrittyBrick wrote:

>>
>> Haven't IANA taken over?
>>
>> http://www.iana.org/time-zones
>>
>
>
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/releases/release-14oct11-en.pdf
>
And this:
Procedures for Maintaining the Timezone Database
draft-lear-iana-timezone-database-05
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lear-iana-timezone-database>

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#12038

On 02/15/2012 12:31 PM, RedGrittyBrick wrote:
> On 15/02/2012 13:45, David Lamb wrote:
>> On 15/02/2012 7:53 AM, Eric Sosman wrote:
>>> On 2/14/2012 11:41 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:14 -0500, Eric Sosman
>>>> <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
>>>> someone who said :
>>>>> I hope you will post a retraction here, and remove the "Burn
>>>>> their houses down" message from your site.
>>>>
>>>> What I said is already far milder than what I think. This sort of
>>>> behaviour in inexcusable, and in the service of ASTROLOGY!!! splutter!
>>>
>>> You promote vandalism. That's all I need to know.
>>
>> I can't condone vandalism either, but if Roedy had said "let's use
>> whatever legal means we can find to fight back" I'd have agreed
>> enthusiastically. Creating/joining an Olson Database Legal Defence Fund
>> might make sense.
>>
>
> Haven't IANA taken over?
>
> http://www.iana.org/time-zones
>
Browsing a tz mailing list archive, available here:
<https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/tz>,
I see no calls for vigilantism. Shame, Roedy.

I was happy to be made aware of the issue and
to get a glimpse of the complexities involved.
<http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-October/008156.html>

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#12040

On 02/15/2012 01:46 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 02/15/2012 12:31 PM, RedGrittyBrick wrote:
>> On 15/02/2012 13:45, David Lamb wrote:
>>> On 15/02/2012 7:53 AM, Eric Sosman wrote:
>>>> On 2/14/2012 11:41 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:14 -0500, Eric Sosman
>>>>> <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
>>>>> someone who said :
>>>>>> I hope you will post a retraction here, and remove the "Burn
>>>>>> their houses down" message from your site.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I said is already far milder than what I think. This sort of
>>>>> behaviour in inexcusable, and in the service of ASTROLOGY!!! splutter!
>>>>
>>>> You promote vandalism. That's all I need to know.
>>>
>>> I can't condone vandalism either, but if Roedy had said "let's use
>>> whatever legal means we can find to fight back" I'd have agreed
>>> enthusiastically. Creating/joining an Olson Database Legal Defence Fund
>>> might make sense.

<https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/01/just-facts-lawsuit-against-timezone-database-deserves-sanctions>

>>>
>>
>> Haven't IANA taken over?
>>
>> http://www.iana.org/time-zones
>>
> Browsing a tz mailing list archive, available here:
> <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/tz>,
> I see no calls for vigilantism. Shame, Roedy.
>
> I was happy to be made aware of the issue and
> to get a glimpse of the complexities involved.
> <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-October/008156.html>
>
Actually, the whole thread was interesting.
<http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-October/thread.html#8156>

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#12048

On 2/14/2012 11:41 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:14 -0500, Eric Sosman
> <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid>  wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
> someone who said :
>>      I hope you will post a retraction here, and remove the "Burn
>> their houses down" message from your site.
>
> What I said is already far milder than what I think. This sort of
> behaviour in inexcusable, and in the service of ASTROLOGY!!! splutter!

Inexcusable behavior it not a very good reason to violate the law.

Arne

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#12021

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:14 -0500, Eric Sosman
<esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>     ... as reported in "The Register" -- four months and one
>week ago.  In other news, rebels against the Crown are causing
>minor disturbances in some of the North American colonies.

The link is on my site, so I am aware of that.  Today is an important
milestone in the story.  JDK 1.7.0_03 came out -- the last version of
Java to use the Olson database. 

This sort of information comes out well ahead of the implementation,
so  JDK 1.7.0_03  can have current timezone data even though Olson was
shut down last year.

 However, the entire computing community has a problem.  Unless these
bastards are sued out of existence, the entire existing Olson database
is in legal limbo.  It might require rebuilding it from original
sources in a clean room. But of course it might not exactly match the
existing data. This is a nightmare. The only proper solution sending
them packing.  I suppose Oracle could settle, but that would really
gall me.  Astrolabe could then SELL this database over and over to
everyone who needs timezone data. It would be outrageous that they
would profit from such a deliberately malicious act. They can bully an
individual like Olson, but surely not Oracle, IBM, ...  I want them
punished.


-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
One of the most useful comments you can put in a program is 
"If you change this, remember to change ?XXX? too".
 

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#12042

On 15/02/2012 05:05, Roedy Green wrote:
>   However, the entire computing community has a problem.

I think this particular hiccough was taken care of last year. The entire 
computing community doesn't actually have a problem (of any significance).

There is a general problem of overuse of litigation by greedy people (or 
by the organisations they control) but that is not going to go away in 
our lifetimes.

Olsen had a problem, but he has dealt with it. His reputation and legacy 
appear to be secure. So far as I know he is not in need of any help from 
the general public.


> Unless these
> bastards are sued out of existence, the entire existing Olson database
> is in legal limbo.

That doesn't appear to be necessary. Just because an allegation has been 
made does not immediately place the subject of the allegation in any 
kind of legal limbo in the sense I understand that term.


> It might require rebuilding it from original
> sources in a clean room. But of course it might not exactly match the
> existing data. This is a nightmare.

Not after a moment of calm reflection surely?


> The only proper solution sending
> them packing.  I suppose Oracle could settle, but that would really
> gall me.  Astrolabe could then SELL this database over and over to
> everyone who needs timezone data. It would be outrageous that they
> would profit from such a deliberately malicious act. They can bully an
> individual like Olson, but surely not Oracle, IBM, ...

None of that seems necessary at the moment.


 > I want them punished.

If they have provably and unlawfully harmed you, that would be a matter 
for your local law courts and international extradition treaties. IANAL 
but I suggest you put aside this thought. Not every wrong can be 
righted. Perfect justice is an unattainable ideal.

Meanwhile, Java programs can still be written and will know the time.

-- 
RGB

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#12031

On 2/14/2012 6:28 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
> Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>
> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
> that database.
>
> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
> business.
>
> see http://mindprod


I'd rather not see your mindprod site, as I prefer reliable sources.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database#2011_lawsuit>

"2011 Lawsuit

On September 30, 2011, a lawsuit, Astrolabe, Inc. v. Olson et 
al.,[11][12] was filed concerning copyright in the database. As a 
result, on October 6, 2011, the database's maintenance (mailing list) 
and dissemination (FTP site) operations were shut down.[13] The case 
revolves around the use by the database maintainers of the atlases The 
American Atlas by Thomas G. Shanks and The International Atlas by Thomas 
G. Shanks and Rique Pottenger. It specifically complains of unauthorised 
reproduction of the atlases' data in the timezone mailing list archive 
and in some auxiliary link collections maintained with the database, but 
doesn't actually point at the database itself. The complaint relates 
only to the compilation of historical timezone data, and does not cover 
current tzdata world timezone tables.[12][14][15] The tz database 
clearly references its sources, including the atlas, in comments, 
allowing the extent of use of the data to be evaluated.[16][17]
[edit] Move to ICANN

ICANN took responsibility for the maintenance of the database on October 
14, 2011.[18] The full database (including allegedly-infringing 
sections) and a description of current and future plans for its 
maintenance are available online from IANA.[19]"


So the upshot is that it got moved to IANA, and the lawsuit really just 
complains about some data in the mailing list and links to other sites. 
  The database itself is fine.  Do some research next time before going 
off half-cocked.

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#12049

On 2/15/2012 11:45 AM, markspace wrote:
> On 2/14/2012 6:28 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> The Olson timezone database is no more. An astrology company,
>> Astrolabe, sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>>
>> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
>> that database.
>>
>> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
>> business.
>>
>> see http://mindprod
>
>
> I'd rather not see your mindprod site, as I prefer reliable sources.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database#2011_lawsuit>
>
> "2011 Lawsuit
>
> On September 30, 2011, a lawsuit, Astrolabe, Inc. v. Olson et
> al.,[11][12] was filed concerning copyright in the database. As a
> result, on October 6, 2011, the database's maintenance (mailing list)
> and dissemination (FTP site) operations were shut down.[13] The case
> revolves around the use by the database maintainers of the atlases The
> American Atlas by Thomas G. Shanks and The International Atlas by Thomas
> G. Shanks and Rique Pottenger. It specifically complains of unauthorised
> reproduction of the atlases' data in the timezone mailing list archive
> and in some auxiliary link collections maintained with the database, but
> doesn't actually point at the database itself. The complaint relates
> only to the compilation of historical timezone data, and does not cover
> current tzdata world timezone tables.[12][14][15] The tz database
> clearly references its sources, including the atlas, in comments,
> allowing the extent of use of the data to be evaluated.[16][17]
> [edit] Move to ICANN
>
> ICANN took responsibility for the maintenance of the database on October
> 14, 2011.[18] The full database (including allegedly-infringing
> sections) and a description of current and future plans for its
> maintenance are available online from IANA.[19]"
>
>
> So the upshot is that it got moved to IANA, and the lawsuit really just
> complains about some data in the mailing list and links to other sites.
> The database itself is fine. Do some research next time before going off
> half-cocked.

And worse - Roedy has not corrected his page yet - a half day
after being told by several people that the information is
incorrect.

Arne

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#12053

On 2/15/2012 8:23 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 2/15/2012 11:45 AM, markspace wrote:
>> On 2/14/2012 6:28 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> The Olson timezone database is no more. An astrology company,
>>> Astrolabe, sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>>>
>>> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
>>> that database.
>>>
>>> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
>>> business.
>>>
>>> see http://mindprod
>>
>>
>> I'd rather not see your mindprod site, as I prefer reliable sources.
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database#2011_lawsuit>
>>
>> "2011 Lawsuit
>>
>> On September 30, 2011, a lawsuit, Astrolabe, Inc. v. Olson et
>> al.,[11][12] was filed concerning copyright in the database. As a
>> result, on October 6, 2011, the database's maintenance (mailing list)
>> and dissemination (FTP site) operations were shut down.[13] The case
>> revolves around the use by the database maintainers of the atlases The
>> American Atlas by Thomas G. Shanks and The International Atlas by Thomas
>> G. Shanks and Rique Pottenger. It specifically complains of unauthorised
>> reproduction of the atlases' data in the timezone mailing list archive
>> and in some auxiliary link collections maintained with the database, but
>> doesn't actually point at the database itself. The complaint relates
>> only to the compilation of historical timezone data, and does not cover
>> current tzdata world timezone tables.[12][14][15] The tz database
>> clearly references its sources, including the atlas, in comments,
>> allowing the extent of use of the data to be evaluated.[16][17]
>> [edit] Move to ICANN
>>
>> ICANN took responsibility for the maintenance of the database on October
>> 14, 2011.[18] The full database (including allegedly-infringing
>> sections) and a description of current and future plans for its
>> maintenance are available online from IANA.[19]"
>>
>>
>> So the upshot is that it got moved to IANA, and the lawsuit really just
>> complains about some data in the mailing list and links to other sites.
>> The database itself is fine. Do some research next time before going off
>> half-cocked.
>
> And worse - Roedy has not corrected his page yet - a half day
> after being told by several people that the information is
> incorrect.

     He's too busy lighting torches and sharpening the tines of
pitchforks.

     An irony: He calls for vandalizing somebody who attempts to assert
intellectual property rights.  At the same time, his very own web site
plasters "copyright" symbols *on other peoples' code and posts*.  Yes,
our own InformationWantsToBeFree Green claims copyright on some of *my*
contributions -- and I bet if you look a little, you'll find that he
claims to own some of yours, too.

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

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#12036

On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:28:55 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote:
> The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
> Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
> 
> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
> that database.
> 
> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
> business.

Oh, so you support those criminal schmucks? Anonymous are tools. Idiots. 
Vandals. Scum. Script kiddies. F**k Anonymous.

-- 
Lew

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#12057

Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:28:55 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote:
>> The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
>> Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>> 
>> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
>> that database.
>> 
>> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
>> business.
>
>Oh, so you support those criminal schmucks? Anonymous are tools. Idiots. 
>Vandals. Scum. Script kiddies. F**k Anonymous.

The first rule of computer security which you have just broken is to
avoid setting yourself up as a target. You probably already know the
HBGary story <http://tinyurl.com/4k6gzr9> and you must agree that the
vandalism was not carried out by "script kiddies".

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#12062

Gordon Levi wrote:
> Lew wrote:
> 
> >On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:28:55 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote:
> >> The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
> >> Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
> >> 
> >> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
> >> that database.
> >> 
> >> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
> >> business.
> >
> >Oh, so you support those criminal schmucks? Anonymous are tools. Idiots. 
> >Vandals. Scum. Script kiddies. F**k Anonymous.
> 
> The first rule of computer security which you have just broken is to
> avoid setting yourself up as a target. You probably already know the
> HBGary story <http://tinyurl.com/4k6gzr9> and you must agree that the
> vandalism was not carried out by "script kiddies".

Are you threatening me?

I thought Anonymous were in *favor* of free speech. That's their line, anyway, 
do schmuckly things in the name of individual rights, isn't it? Am I a bank? A 
government? A spy agency? No, I'm just someone who's not afraid to point out 
that Anonymous are evil, stupid bastards. And script kiddies. Assholes. They 
should change their name to "AA" - "Assholes Anonymous".

And I'm not afraid of you, either.

-- 
Lew

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