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Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser)

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On 02/05/13 20:29, Lew wrote:
> lipska the kat wrote:
>> Lew wrote:
>>> You are guilty of straw-man argumentation, lipska.
>>
>> It's spelled straw man, no hyphen
>
> Incorrect. The hyphen is needed when a unit modifier (like "straw man" in this case)
> precedes the noun modified.
>
>> How useful do you think it is to tell someone struggling to get Eclipse
>> to do what he wants that he shouldn't be using it (for whatever reason)
>
> What does that have to do with this conversation
>
> No one told the OP that he shouldn't use Eclipse, only that it should not be used
> for production builds. That is incredibly useful.
>
> And not because I think it's useful but because it has demonstrable benefits, as mentioned
> upthread.
>
> Bad habits are harder to unlearn than if you learn good habits to begin with.
>
> Someone who only learns the micro-information needed for today's question without
> a sense of where the road leads will learn more slowly.

> To be effective at computer
> programming in particular, one must develop the habit of assimilating, even if superficially,
> the nine-tenths of the knowledge iceberg that is submerged below the waterline of
> "I think this is immediately useful". If you cannot cope with that kind of data, you will never
> grow to be a very competent programmer.
>
> Now, I realize lipska that your argumentation is motivated entirely by the desire to disagree
> with me personally, and not to help the OP, which is why you resort to begging the question
> (calling it "misinformation") and challenging the usefulness of a useful answer without actually
> contributing any helpful information yourself.
>
> But the fact remains that Eclipse is not optimal as a production build tool, and that there are
> standard tools for Java projects that are superior and indeed, intended for the purpose. This is
> always useful to know, even if you aren't prepared at this very instant in time to delve in depth
> into the matter. Otherwise you might form the bad habit of relying on Eclipse for something for
> which it is not well suited, and suffer the dire consequences thereof, while having to undo an
> ineffective system and unlearn bad habits. Is that what you want for the OP?
>
> So better to set up a signpost very early in the learning path, indicating that there are dangers
> and liberating the OP to dig into that in depth now that they know there is something to research.
>
> You would shackle them with your own arrogant prejudgment of what you in your narrow,
> self-aggrandizing view of things deem is all they need, just to snark at someone whom for
> some reason you have chosen to deprecate.

Well that's all very interesting I'm sure.

I won't bore you with the details of my career too date but I will tell 
you that I have significant experience in training people to use Java 
(amongst other languages) and many, many hours spent standing in front 
of a class of students and fielding their questions has taught me this. 
When someone asks a question, what they are usually looking for is an 
answer to that question, anything else is too much information.
Compare our answers to this and other threads to see what I mean

They generally do not want a treatise on one persons view of Object 
Oriented Software Engineering or a long detailed description of why they 
are wrong to do something in some way or other. If you were as 
experienced a developer as you say you are you would know that software 
engineering is not a well defined science in the same way that 
mechanical engineering or physics or architecture are for example.

There are many ways of doing things that are 'right' because they work 
for a given situation. I have worked on projects where the chosen 'IDE' 
is Emacs and the chosen build tool is Make. Ant, batch files, shell 
scripts, cron jobs and hand rolling are all valid methods in certain 
situations. An IDE is just a tool. In any reasonably sized project there 
will be a build master who is responsible for the nightly, test, staging 
and production builds, what does it matter what tool he uses to do the 
job. If problems are encountered using Eclipse, or any other development 
tool for that matter then I suggest that in general, it is a problem 
with the user and not the tool.

> Better to know the truth than base your education on falsehood. The truth will set you free.

You said it.

lipska

-- 
Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer
and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun

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Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) galois271@gmail.com - 2013-04-29 20:25 -0700
  Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-04-30 09:00 +0100
    Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) galois271@gmail.com - 2013-04-30 05:47 -0700
      Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-04-30 14:27 +0100
        Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) galois271@gmail.com - 2013-04-30 07:07 -0700
          Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-04-30 12:30 -0700
            Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-04-30 20:53 +0100
              Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Chuck Johnson <galois271@gmail.com> - 2013-04-30 13:05 -0700
              Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-04-30 21:26 -0400
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-05-01 06:55 +0100
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-01 03:22 -0400
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-05-01 13:10 +0200
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-05-02 16:44 +0100
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-05-01 20:27 -0400
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-02 11:33 -0400
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-05-01 20:23 -0400
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 18:38 -0700
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-05-02 16:35 +0100
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-05-02 12:29 -0700
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-05-02 19:46 -0400
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-05-02 18:22 -0700
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-05-02 21:54 -0400
                Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-05-03 13:34 +0100
  Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2013-04-30 09:18 -0400

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