Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.lang.java.programmer > #18478

Re: hashCode

Path csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: hashCode
Date Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:56:48 -0600
Organization more research is needed
Lines 33
Message-ID <ydnvcfzrr5r.fsf@shell.xmission.com> (permalink)
References <563f186a-edb3-4311-ae48-3af7decfce2c@googlegroups.com> <5028191b$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <a8sr5sFropU1@mid.individual.net> <50317b03$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <slrnk36phl.u9l.avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> <503bfd0f$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <CNT_r.5387$pd4.3890@newsfe21.iad> <k1h1sp$qdf$1@dont-email.me> <PPadnUGBC8NIuKHNnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <k1hgt4$vk5$1@dont-email.me> <BbednWMHAfFh5qHNnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> <k1ir2n$au0$1@dont-email.me> <3zc%r.5945$pd4.2658@newsfe21.iad> <k1jm6i$s5k$1@dont-email.me> <zSs%r.2724$Wh5.2588@newsfe14.iad> <k1lo7d$835$1@dont-email.me> <k1oqsq$p0u$1@dont-email.me> <k1p4rh$im0$1@dont-email.me> <k1p6vk$s4p$1@dont-email.me> <ydnzk5brte4.fsf@shell.xmission.com> <k1qlpa$kjv$1@dont-email.me>
Mime-Version 1.0
Content-Type text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Injection-Info mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="75975abe3fe3503ca7350803ab98e478"; logging-data="28702"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX186KdVoN0XsDLACf80WMHeE"
User-Agent Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux)
Cancel-Lock sha1:ctf4370e4gU+RRF40qR3ueiAvc8= sha1:UzinjJVpq+2YH3N9mh0GYYH/U2c=
Xref csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:18478

Show key headers only | View raw

Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> writes:

> On 8/31/2012 11:08 AM, Jim Janney wrote:
>> Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 31/08/2012 03:43, Eric Sosman allegedly wrote:
>>>> On 8/30/2012 6:52 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> As an example of why a hasher might want access to a strictly-private
>>>> field, I offered String: [...]
>>>
>>> Imposing that classes should expose all information "relevant" (says
>>> who??) to hashing is utter rubbish IMNSHO.
>>
>> Objects that compare equal must hash to the same value.  It follows that
>> if the hash function uses a value, so must the comparison method.
>
>     Since java.lang.String had already been mentioned, it's sort
> of too bad you didn't look at it before posting.  Had you done so,
> you'd have found that [1] hashCode() uses the private field `hash'
> and [2] equals() does not.

If you want to play gotcha, it's sort of too bad you don't read this
newsgroup more often.  I pointed out the use of the private field some
time ago, when we were discussing immutable classes.

If you'd rather argue on the actual issues, a cached result is not extra
information.  The hashCode method in String doesn't return anything that
can't be computed from publically available information.

-- 
Jim Janney

Back to comp.lang.java.programmer | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread

Thread

hashCode bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-08-10 08:47 -0700
  Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 12:13 -0400
    Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-10 10:13 -0700
      Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 13:38 -0400
        Re: hashCode rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2012-08-11 10:36 +0100
  Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-10 12:34 -0400
    Re: hashCode bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-08-10 15:22 -0700
      Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 15:32 -0700
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:30 -0400
          Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:24 -0700
            Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:15 -0400
              Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:29 -0400
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 22:43 -0400
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:54 -0400
                Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 21:46 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 16:53 -0400
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 17:00 -0400
      Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:27 -0400
        Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-12 17:06 +0200
          Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 16:59 -0400
            Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-13 19:17 +0200
              Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-19 19:42 -0400
                Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-21 10:30 +0000
              Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-19 19:47 -0400
                Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-21 10:43 +0000
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 19:04 -0400
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-27 16:55 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-27 17:03 -0700
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-27 17:49 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:37 -0400
                Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-27 18:58 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-27 21:19 -0700
                Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-28 01:06 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-28 09:19 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-28 16:33 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-28 17:02 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 11:06 -0700
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-29 14:49 -0400
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 13:40 -0700
                Re: hashCode Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-29 18:02 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-08-31 00:52 +0200
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-30 21:43 -0400
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-30 21:52 -0400
                Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-08-31 04:18 +0200
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:08 -0600
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-31 11:38 -0400
                Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-31 17:55 +0200
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:56 -0600
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-31 14:32 -0400
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 14:38 -0600
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 15:33 -0700
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 16:41 -0600
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 16:26 -0700
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-09-02 11:54 -0600
                Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-09-03 00:47 +0200
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-09-03 21:44 -0600
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:08 -0600
                Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-31 17:58 +0200
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-29 11:51 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 13:28 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-29 16:05 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 16:23 -0700
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-29 20:56 -0400
                Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-30 11:19 +0200
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-30 10:03 -0700
                Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-30 18:34 +0000
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-30 08:11 -0600
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-30 10:06 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-30 19:16 -0400
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 13:58 -0700
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 13:56 -0700
                Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-28 14:07 -0700
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 14:38 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:12 -0400
      Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 07:58 -0400
        Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:29 -0700
          Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:16 -0400
      Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 03:46 -0700
      Re: hashCode Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-08-12 12:23 -0400
        Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 09:40 -0700
          Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-12 13:59 -0400
            Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 11:17 -0700
          Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 17:02 -0400
        Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 19:03 +0200
  Re: hashCode Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-08-10 12:17 -0700
    Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 12:45 -0700
      Re: hashCode Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-08-11 04:54 -0700
        Re: hashCode Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-08-11 18:25 +0200
          Re: hashCode Mike Winter <usenet@michael-winter.me.invalid> - 2012-08-11 18:53 +0100
        Re: hashCode Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-08-11 09:56 -0700
        Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-11 18:58 +0200
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:40 -0400
      Re: hashCode rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2012-08-11 18:47 +0100
    Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:25 -0400
      Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 08:00 -0400
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 09:49 -0400
  Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-11 15:33 +0200
    Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-11 15:34 +0200
    Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:34 -0700
      Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:37 -0700
      Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:19 -0400
        Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 21:48 -0700
    Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 12:08 +0200
      Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 12:18 +0200
      Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-12 11:27 -0700
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 17:11 -0400

csiph-web