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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:36:41 -0400, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
wrote:

>On 9/12/2012 12:18 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:59:16 -0700, Peter Duniho
>> <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> For whatever reason, I've never found checked exceptions a compelling
>>> feature.  It's absolutely in the right spirit, one which I agree
>>> wholeheartedly with.  And yet I find that at least in the Java
>>> implementation, it seems to create more headaches than it prevents.
>>
>>       To me, it also seems as if it would be a good idea, but using it
>> is awkward.  In some coursework, I used a Java cryptographic system.
>> It had a lot of exceptions to handle so my code had a lot of catches.
>> Because I did not know what was thrown, I wrote my code without them
>> and then added whatever the compiler stated was missing.  In those
>> catches, there really was not anything that I could do other than
>> reporting the error.
>
>Sounds more like a design problem.

     I did not write the crypto package.

>You should catch exceptions at the level where it can be handled
>(either where a method can do something that will allow the program
>to continue to run or at the outer level where the program can be
>terminated).

     Well, the level I caught the exception at was the individual
calls to the package.  There were so many exceptions, and it was
really irrelevant what the exception was.  Whatever it was, it meant
that my program had failed.  Writing the glue code to catch each of
these exceptions was simply make-work.

>There is just one thing that is worse than catch everything possible,
>report it and continue without doing anything or terminating everywhere
>in the code - and that is doing the same thing except not reporting it.
>
>Way too many exceptions is typical a sign of code not properly divided
>in layers/components. Such throw layer/component specific exceptions but
>hides all the implementation specific exceptions.
>
>>       I prefer reading the main flow of execution as a high-level
>> story.  Catches interrupt this.  When there are a lot of catches, they
>> make the main code harder to find.
>
>You should not really have more catches due to checked exceptions.
>
>You should only catch exceptions that you can do something useful
>about it. That an exception is checked does not change whether you can
>so something useful about it. It just reminds you of its existence.

     I had to catch the exceptions or get a compilation error for each
one I missed.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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can't throw bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-09-11 13:16 -0700
  Re: can't throw markspace <-@.> - 2012-09-11 13:34 -0700
    Re: can't throw Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 14:15 -0700
  Re: can't throw Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-09-11 17:02 -0400
    Re: can't throw Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 14:17 -0700
      Re: can't throw Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-09-11 21:21 -0400
        Re: can't throw Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-09-11 21:59 -0700
          Re: can't throw Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-12 09:18 -0700
            Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-12 19:09 +0200
            Re: can't throw markspace <-@.> - 2012-09-12 10:56 -0700
            Re: can't throw Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-09-12 18:36 -0400
              Re: can't throw Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-12 18:29 -0700
                Re: can't throw Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-09-12 18:34 -0700
                Re: can't throw Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-09-12 21:37 -0400
                Re: can't throw Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-09-12 21:54 -0400
          Re: can't throw Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-09-12 11:27 -0600
          Re: can't throw Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-09-12 18:24 -0400
            Re: can't throw Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-09-13 22:20 -0700
              Re: can't throw Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-14 09:49 -0700
                Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-14 20:50 +0200
                Re: can't throw Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 13:02 -0700
                Re: can't throw Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-14 14:06 -0700
                Re: can't throw Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-14 13:16 -0700
                Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-14 23:07 +0200
                Re: can't throw Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 14:28 -0700
                Re: can't throw Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-16 20:04 -0700
        Re: can't throw Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-09-12 18:16 -0400
          Re: can't throw Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-09-12 23:15 -0700
        Re: can't throw Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-09-14 17:33 -0500
          Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-16 15:46 +0200
            Re: can't throw Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-09-16 12:17 -0500
              Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-16 22:36 +0200
                Re: can't throw Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-16 20:07 -0700
                Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-17 07:41 +0200
                Re: can't throw Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-17 09:51 -0700
                Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-17 21:00 +0200
                Re: can't throw Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-17 13:23 -0700
                Re: can't throw Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-09-17 18:52 +0200
                Re: can't throw Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 11:22 -0700
                Re: can't throw Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-09-17 02:52 -0500
                Re: can't throw Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-09-17 02:39 -0500
                Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-17 21:02 +0200
  Re: can't throw markspace <-@.> - 2012-09-11 14:28 -0700
  Re: can't throw Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-09-11 21:14 -0400
    Re: can't throw Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-09-12 18:11 -0400
  Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-12 08:31 +0200
    Re: can't throw bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-09-12 11:40 -0700
      Re: can't throw Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-09-12 15:50 -0400
      Re: can't throw Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-09-12 12:52 -0700
        Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-12 23:24 +0200
          Re: can't throw Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-09-12 15:10 -0700
            Re: can't throw Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-13 23:32 +0200
    Re: can't throw Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-09-12 18:06 -0400
  Re: can't throw Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-09-12 20:55 -0700

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