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Re: JOutlookBar

From Lew <noone@lewscanon.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: JOutlookBar
Date 2012-04-29 01:56 -0700
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Peter Cheung wrote:
> why people in the forum look like angering something on me?

There are several reasons, and it's a fair question.

In the first place, I doubt that anyone is actually angry with you. There is a 
difference between harshness and anger, although few people pay attention to 
the difference. You have triggered some harsh reactions, but people really are 
trying to impart information to help you. The thing you do right is to engage 
with the conversation, to keep responding to people and trying to understand. 
As long as you do that no one should actually be angry with you.

What people have been telling you is important information. There are high 
standards to professional programming, and they are rigorous. Early on you 
showed some resistance to the information people gave you. This is especially 
important in the area of ethics, which you violated. Besides that, you did not 
respond to the comments regarding engineering flaws in your code. Your 
responses to other comments, namely the lack of Javadocs and a build script, 
were dismissive and constituted little more than, "I'm not doing that." We 
know you're not doing that, we pointed out that you're not doing that. More 
importantly we pointed out that you should be doing that, advice that you 
ignore at your own cost.

Basically you have not shown interest in the wisdom and expertise that the 
several very smart and knowledgeable people like Patricia Shanahan, Daniel 
Pitts, markspace and Arne Vajhøj, to name a few, have shared. You don't give 
reasons or logic for your decisions. You seem unaware and uninterested in 
respect for copyrights. Instead of taking coding advice, you say, "Let me 
finish my project," indicating that you are going to follow bad code with even 
more bad code.

So people aren't so much angry with you as contemptuous of your behavior. Not 
of you, necessarily - I cannot imagine Ms. Dr. Shanahan showing less than 
exquisite courtesy and respect to any human being, for example - but certainly 
of actions that will harm your ability to put together good software.

It's not good to be emotional or defensive about one's work in this business. 
The results have to work, and work in accordance with expectations. That is 
what it is beyond all wishing or superstition or resistance to brutally honest 
advice. Take the advice - respect for your behavior is far less important than 
success in software development. Following the advice of those wiser in this 
arena will lead to both.

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
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JOutlookBar Peter Cheung <cmk128@gmail.com> - 2012-04-26 15:29 -0700
  Re: JOutlookBar Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-26 16:19 -0700
    Re: JOutlookBar Peter Cheung <cmk128@gmail.com> - 2012-04-26 20:17 -0700
      Re: JOutlookBar Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-04-27 10:11 -0700
        Re: JOutlookBar markspace <-@.> - 2012-04-27 12:33 -0700
          Re: JOutlookBar Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-27 13:51 -0700
            Re: JOutlookBar Peter Cheung <cmk128@gmail.com> - 2012-04-28 03:10 -0700
              Re: JOutlookBar Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-28 18:03 -0400
          Re: JOutlookBar Peter Cheung <cmk128@gmail.com> - 2012-04-28 03:06 -0700
            Re: JOutlookBar Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-04-28 15:06 -0700
              Re: JOutlookBar Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-04-28 21:08 -0700
                Re: JOutlookBar Peter Cheung <cmk128@gmail.com> - 2012-04-29 00:13 -0700
                Re: JOutlookBar Peter Cheung <cmk128@gmail.com> - 2012-04-29 00:31 -0700
                Re: JOutlookBar Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-04-29 01:56 -0700
                Re: JOutlookBar Peter Cheung <cmk128@gmail.com> - 2012-04-29 07:37 -0700
                Re: JOutlookBar Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-04-29 07:51 -0700
                Re: JOutlookBar Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-04-29 12:01 -0700
                Re: JOutlookBar Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-05 19:53 -0400

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