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Re: Java vs C++

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> In the beginning, Java was supposed to be a much simpler language than C++,
>> in some sense leaving out all the unnecessary complications, while keeping
>> the worthwhile parts.
>>
>> This PDF copy of “The Java Language Specification”, 3rd Edition, that I’m
>> currently reading, has 684 pages. By comparison, the paper copy of “The C++
>> Standard” on my bookshelf has 782 numbered pages. As you can see, Java is no
>> longer that far off C++ in complexity.
>>
>> Most of that complexity seems to be caused by the addition of generics to
>> Java. This was something that C++ had from the beginning. It was one of the
>> unnecessary complications that Java left out to start with. But now they’ve
>> changed their minds, and put it back in. But since they need to be backward-
>> compatible with existing code, they’ve had to add extra complications that
>> C++ never had to deal with.
>>
>> Bjarne Stroustroup must be chuckling over his hot cocoa...

Silvio wrote:
> C++ did not have generics from the beginning. It was added afterwards and
> initially without any proper specification of (separate) compilation and
> linkage aspects.

C++ doesn't have generics.  It has templates.  They aren't the same thing.

C# has generics.  Java has (different) generics.  C++ doesn't.

Lawrence is trolling.

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