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Re: ORM or JDBC?

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On 11-03-31 09:10 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message <IX7lp.805$YL5.263@newsfe05.iad>, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> 
>> On 11-03-30 09:19 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> In message <TVhkp.2110$sS4.2012@newsfe11.iad>, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Normalization is something else - that's not semantics. It's a technique
>>>> for taking a relational database model and turning it into something
>>>> practical for use inside an RDBMS.
>>>
>>> No it is not. It is integral to the mathematical concept of relations.
>>>
>> Lawrence, normalization is basically a set of design techniques
>> associated with the relational data model, and the relational data model
>> is a _logical_ data model, not a conceptual one that defines the
>> semantics.
> 
> Difference being?

See my explanation to Tom.

>> And by the way, if you can't define a relation without using the term
>> "normalization" then you're missing the point.
> 
> Maybe you’ve been befogged by SQL, to the point where you don’t notice the 
> mathematics underneath.

I'm reasonably familiar with the mathematics of tuples and relations. I
also know that when I'm using a typical RDBMS and SQL that I'm not
constrained to a relational representation of my data.

AHS
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Re: ORM or JDBC? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-03-31 13:19 +1300
  Re: ORM or JDBC? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-03-31 20:16 -0300
    Re: ORM or JDBC? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-04-01 13:10 +1300
      Re: ORM or JDBC? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-04-01 20:12 -0300
        Re: ORM or JDBC? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-04-02 15:45 +1300
          Re: ORM or JDBC? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-04-02 09:21 -0300
    Re: ORM or JDBC? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-01 22:38 +0100
      Re: ORM or JDBC? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-04-01 20:03 -0300
        Re: ORM or JDBC? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-04-02 15:44 +1300
          Re: ORM or JDBC? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-04-02 09:35 -0300
            Re: ORM or JDBC? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-02 10:25 -0400

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