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Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing)

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:46:12 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 1/2/2013 9:27 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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> > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:26:03 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajh�j wrote:
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> >> On 1/2/2013 9:22 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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> >>> an other requirement not satisfied by any IDE we have found is
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> >>> the
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> >>> ability to lay the source tree out in such a way that it can be
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> >>> compiled without the IDE (a requirement for almost all our
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> >>> projects
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> >>> because none of our clients have IDE's and in almost all cases
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> >>> there
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> >>> are minor changes needed to make the code happy on their site
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> >>> that
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> >>
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> >>> make testing impossible on the development machine)
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> >> The Java IDE's I know put code in a structure that fits
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> >> java tools, ant and maven.
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> > And in almost any non-trivial case this is completely incorrect...
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> Given that a big part (my estimate: 80-90%!) of all Java applications
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> are build:
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> - developer use IDE and checkin to VCS
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> - build process checkout from VCS and use ant/maven to build
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> then it has to be correct.

Correct in what sense?  Passing it's own tests?   If that is the case aegis is the *ONLY* VCS that actually requires this before a checkin.  The idea there is the baseline (repo in most other VCS's jargon) is guernteed to be working (as defined above)).  Namely every modification is *NEW* [see note] atomic in regards to new functionality and *MUST* be accompanied by automated tests (it is possible to turn this off but for obvious reasons not recommended unless the change is essencially untestable like documentation updates).


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> > even though I love Java as a lang I have a serious issue with some of
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> > the attitudes/assumptions made by tools... namely the universe does
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> > not revolve around the JVM
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> I find it natural that tools developed for Java development are the
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> best for Java development and tools developed for C development are
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> the best for C development and ... PHP ... Python ... etc..

Most real world projects (unless they a part of a larger effort) have several components/languages (for us for example it is typical to have a HTML/CSS/JS component and a Java/"JSP" component [I am defining "JSP" a little loosely because we often need to support more then just web front-ends]... it is also common for us to have some native code accessed via a JNLP wrapper)...

Note:

There is a slight mismatch between aegis's requirements in this reguard and how xUnit like frameworks work.   We typically solve this by reusing the same test script but requiring that the total number of pass's needs to be at least one larger then the previous change.

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question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 00:20 -0800
  Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 00:24 -0800
    Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2013-01-02 12:24 -0800
  Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 11:16 -0800
    Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 19:55 -0500
      Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:21 -0800
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 20:40 -0500
  Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-02 11:17 -0800
    Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 19:56 -0500
      Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:27 -0800
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:32 -0800
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:42 -0800
          Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:55 -0800
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:02 -0800
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:12 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:16 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:20 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:22 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:26 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:27 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:46 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 20:41 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 21:54 -0500
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:15 -0500
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:20 -0800
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:17 -0500
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2013-01-02 22:33 -0800
          Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-05 12:58 +0000
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-05 05:34 -0800
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-05 05:40 -0800
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 21:56 -0500
      Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-03 21:14 +0000
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-03 17:51 -0500
          Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-03 20:54 -0800
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-05 00:15 +0000
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-05 13:03 +0000
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-05 05:25 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 21:49 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-06 23:26 -0800
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 21:44 -0500
  Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 19:54 -0500

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