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Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing)

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On Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:49:17 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 1/5/2013 8:25 AM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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> > Machine code was never meant to be readable but high level languages
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> > can and should be ;-).... on the serious side of the debate there are
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> > reasons for shying away from code generators in my case that are
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> > currently proprietary (some of the lesser results will likely be
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> > FOSS'ed though)... the main reason is we need to (in some cases) deal
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> > with multiple languages in the same compilation unit and have
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> > developed fairly good (at least in theory and my "fun work" is really
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> > nothing more then a proof of concept, without the pressure of
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> > deadlines and such, with Java as a typical non-trivial language to
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> > work with from the compiler POV)... due to the above using a parse
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> > generator would make it very inefficient to create the needed parsers
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> > since they are (by there very nature) very non-OO in how they deal
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> > with more then one grammar at once... namely they are designed to
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> > deal with single languages at a time and not "families" of them
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> ????
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> You have:
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> 1 handwritten lexer + 1 handwritten parser vs 1 generated lexer + 1 
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> generated parser
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> and:
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> N handwritten lexers + N handwritten parsers vs N generated lexers + N 
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> generated parsers
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> If it is cheaper to generate for 1 then I would expect it to be cheaper
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> to generate for N as well.
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> That the generated lexers and parsers may be more procedural than
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> object oriented should not be a show stopper.
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> Common languages like C++ and Java can fine call different
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> functions from different classes.
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> Arne

Don't forget domain specific langs some of which may rewrite the actual content of the other embedded langs... bottom line a well designed version of this is cheaper in the long run if one of the goals is to quickly add new langs to each family

besides which I compared my hand written code to that produced by yacc/lex (and antlr to make sure I was not seeing stuff) and 1) mine is a fraction of the line count [about 90% smaller], 2) Has a much lower big-O (O(n) vs. O(n^2)), 3) is trivial to hand trace (why I would want to is any other point ;-)), 4) easier to test with unit testing because you can actual get under the hood unlike the above that is totally opaque

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question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 00:20 -0800
  Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 00:24 -0800
    Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2013-01-02 12:24 -0800
  Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 11:16 -0800
    Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 19:55 -0500
      Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:21 -0800
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 20:40 -0500
  Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-02 11:17 -0800
    Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 19:56 -0500
      Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:27 -0800
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:32 -0800
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:42 -0800
          Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 17:55 -0800
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:02 -0800
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:12 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:16 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:20 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:22 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:26 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:27 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:46 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 20:41 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 21:54 -0500
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:15 -0500
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-02 18:20 -0800
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 21:17 -0500
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2013-01-02 22:33 -0800
          Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-05 12:58 +0000
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-05 05:34 -0800
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-05 05:40 -0800
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 21:56 -0500
      Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-03 21:14 +0000
        Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-03 17:51 -0500
          Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-03 20:54 -0800
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-05 00:15 +0000
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-05 13:03 +0000
              Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-05 05:25 -0800
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 21:49 -0500
                Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-06 23:26 -0800
            Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 21:44 -0500
  Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-02 19:54 -0500

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