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Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to)

From Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to)
Date 2012-05-08 15:05 -0700
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On Tue, 08 May 2012 16:01:07 -0500, "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org>
wrote:

>On 5/8/2012 3:51 PM, markspace wrote:
>> On 5/8/2012 1:36 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>>> On 5/8/2012 3:14 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:

>>>> The main problem is the human being, whether coder or user.

>>> There are now Trojans and viruses that attack the PC
>>> using JavaScript.
>>>
>>> One can't really shut down JavaScript in the browser like they can
>>> with the Java plugin to prevent applets from running.

>> Yes you can.  I run Firefox with NoScript, an add-on that blocks
>> JavaScript.  Most sites work OK without JavaScript.  If I really need
>> to, NoScript makes it easy for me to temporarily enable a single website.
>>
>> In some cases, the problem is the platform.  I.e., JavaScript, or
>> ActiveX.  But there's work-arounds too.

>Well, I know I can turn off Javascript from firefox, it is
>easy. Tools->Options->Content->uncheck Javascript.
>
>The point is, browsing the internet is almost useless when
>JavaScript is off. How will you browse Yahoo, Google, etc..

     Not even close.  I use Firefox and NoScript as well.  There are
few sites that I frequent that need JavaScript.

>with no JavaScript? Many things do not work any more. Some do yes,

     You need better examples.  Both Yahoo! and Google work without
JavaScript (at least, the basic search function).

>but many things needs JavaScript to work.
>
>It feels like driving a car with no wheels attached to it. Not
>a fun thing to do.

     No, it is like driving a car with no chrome on it.  One might
miss it a bit, but it is not necessary in order to drive.

     Some sites do make it very difficult.  On some sites, clicking on
a link requires JavaScript to be executed.  The <a> tag works fine
without JavaScript so this is bogosity.  I tend to very quickly leave
such sites and not go back.

     I have wondered why no one has come up with a limited JavaScript
that does not allow such attacks.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-08 08:51 -0700
  Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-05-08 17:14 -0300
    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-05-08 15:36 -0500
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 13:51 -0700
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-05-08 16:01 -0500
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 14:15 -0700
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-05-08 16:41 -0500
              Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-08 15:19 -0700
              Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 15:21 -0700
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-08 15:05 -0700
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-05-08 19:12 -0300
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-10 19:05 -0700
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-08 21:03 -0400
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 20:52 -0700
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-05-09 06:58 -0400
              Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-05-09 12:04 -0700
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-09 10:06 -0700
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:20 -0400
              Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Bent C Dalager <bcd@pvv.ntnu.no> - 2012-05-11 09:09 +0000
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-11 09:41 -0700
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) "javax.swing.JSnarker" <gharriman@boojum.mit.edu> - 2012-05-12 01:30 -0400
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Sleepy the Dwarf <std75821@gmail.com> - 2012-05-13 08:40 -0400
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-20 22:37 -0400
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-20 20:25 -0700
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Bent C Dalager <bcd@pvv.ntnu.no> - 2012-05-21 19:31 +0000
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-20 22:35 -0400
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Bent C Dalager <bcd@pvv.ntnu.no> - 2012-05-21 19:26 +0000
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Kev Warren <k.warren312@noobnot.notnoob.org> - 2012-05-21 17:36 -0400
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 13:59 -0700
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-08 21:04 -0400
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 20:54 -0700
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:23 -0400
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-05-08 15:32 -0700
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-10 16:36 -0700
    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-08 21:13 -0400
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-05-09 16:50 -0300
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:26 -0400
  Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-08 21:19 -0400
  Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-05-09 14:42 -0700
    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-05-10 17:07 -0500
    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:19 -0400
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-20 22:33 -0400

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