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Re: O.T. FTP upload

From	Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: O.T. FTP upload
Date	2011-11-01 18:49 +0000
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2011, Daniel Pitts wrote:

> On 11/1/11 7:07 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
>
>> There are hundreds of FTP utilities. What do you use for FTP unattended 
>> uploads?
>> 
>> My ISP is still waiting for a round TUIT to set up a VPN to replace 
>> FTP.
>
> I use sftp or scp.

I use rsync or Mercurial. Why transfer all those bytes which haven't 
changed?

We are lucky, though, to be working with hosts that support modern, 
efficient, reliable protocols like those. There are plenty of poor souls 
out there who don't have access to anything more sophisticated than FTP. 
Of course, our privilege means that we have no idea what the best tools 
for that are!

Roedy, you mention that your ISP is going to set up a VPN. That seems like 
overkill. Have you discussed rsync, running over SSH, as an option? It's 
simple for users, simple for administrators, very widely used, secure, 
flexible, and extremely efficient.

On a unix machine, rsync will be available from the package manager. The 
administrators will need to set up system accounts for every user, but 
they would normally do that anyway for FTP, i think, and they can restrict 
them to use for rsync using scripts included in the rsync distribution.

A quick look suggests your ISP may be using Netware (although i find this 
slightly hard to believe!), in which case they might be interested in:

http://wiki.novell.com/index.php/RSYNC
http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/trench/470.html
http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/654.html

(and many other writeups)

> Also, never underestimate the bandwidth of a pickup truck full of 
> physical media.

Particularly when fired from a GIANT CANNON. It's not clear that the ISP 
would support this, though, in ballistic mode or not.

tom

-- 
Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of
indirection. -- David Wheeler

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O.T. FTP upload Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-01 07:07 -0700
  Re: O.T. FTP upload Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-11-01 09:33 -0700
    Re: O.T. FTP upload Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-11-01 18:49 +0000
      Re: O.T. FTP upload Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-01 23:40 -0700
    Re: O.T. FTP upload Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-01 23:33 -0700
  Re: O.T. FTP upload Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-01 22:11 -0400
  Re: O.T. FTP upload Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-02 21:20 +0000
    Re: O.T. FTP upload Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-02 17:31 -0700
      Re: O.T. FTP upload Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-04 21:13 +0000
        Re: O.T. FTP upload Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 14:29 -0700
          Re: O.T. FTP upload Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-11-04 15:12 -0700
          Re: O.T. FTP upload Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-04 15:15 -0700
            Re: O.T. FTP upload Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-04 21:43 -0400
          Re: O.T. FTP upload Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-05 19:44 +0000
            Re: O.T. FTP upload Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-06 06:58 -0800
              Re: O.T. FTP upload Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-08 06:58 -0800
                Re: O.T. FTP upload Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-11-08 16:03 +0000
  Re: O.T. FTP upload Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-11-02 16:47 -0600
  Re: O.T. FTP upload Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2011-11-02 16:33 -0700
    Re: O.T. FTP upload Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-03 03:14 -0700
      Re: O.T. FTP upload Gunter Herrmann <notformail0106@earthlink.net> - 2011-11-03 10:24 -0400
  Re: NOT O.T. FTP upload Gunter Herrmann <notformail0106@earthlink.net> - 2011-11-03 10:30 -0400
    Re: NOT O.T. FTP upload Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-03 08:09 -0700
      Re: NOT O.T. FTP upload Gunter Herrmann <notformail0106@earthlink.net> - 2011-11-03 13:56 -0400
      Re: NOT O.T. FTP upload Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 22:26 -0400

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