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Re: Managed-Code Bloat

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On 6/7/2011 12:40 AM, Silvio wrote:
...
> Soon I discovered that the portion of effort needed for correct explicit
> memory management (and tracing bugs caused by the lack thereof) in C/C++
> was so large that development times dropped drastically by using Java.
> Very soon I was convinced that only a very small part of the systems I
> wrote actually justified opting for C/C++.
...

I started using Java for similar reasons. I used to write performance
models simulating very complicated multiprocessor servers. A cache miss
could produce several messages causing actions in different components
of the processor-memory interconnect. The cache miss was completed when
several conditions had been all been met, and the order depended on the
states of various queues.

I wrote one in C++. It worked, and did not leak memory even when run for
several days. The problem was that I had spent significant effort to
achieve that result.

The next time I used Java, and got the same effect for zero programming
effort.

Patricia

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    Re: Managed-Code Bloat Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-06-06 23:04 +1200
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