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Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy

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Roedy Green wrote:
> Robert Klemme wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> "One of them is that Java programmers who discover Groovy are often
>> amazed about the conciseness of the language as compared to Java, and
>> start programming in Groovy like they would in Java, that is to say
>> with types and leveraging the syntax of Groovy. The key here is that
>> many programmers never use the dynamic features of Groovy, but rather
>> use the language as a "better Java syntax"."
> 
> The verbosity of Java has always bothered me. Early on I lobbied for
> various measures to put it on a diet.  The biggest win was for:each.
> The Java creators are only now beginning to relax their resistance to
> syntactic sugar to make programs terser, hence easier to type and
> proofread.

Conciseness is overrated.

> I think the problem was/is:
> 
> 1. Sun was far more interested in the JVM than the Java language. In

Evidence?

> their view, Javac.exe was just a preprocessor for the JVM byte code.
> It was a necessary kludge, but of no interest in itself. The innards
> of the JVM is the exciting part. Java the language is pretty dull and clumsy.

Unsubstantiable opinion.

> The WORA comes from the JVM, not a major revolution in the
> language.
> 
> 2. People who write system code think a long time and produce a small
> number of carefully-chosen keystrokes, overwhelmingly comments.
> Application programmers crank out reams and reams of twaddle.  Thus

Oh, really?

Are you an application programmer?

> system programmers have little motivation to be interested in
> terseness.

Wow.

-- 
Lew

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Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-11-16 00:41 -0800
  Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-17 07:16 -0800
    Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-17 09:28 -0800
      Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-11-18 08:16 +0000
      Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-18 02:32 -0800
        Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-11-18 07:35 -0400
        Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-18 07:23 -0800
    Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-17 10:25 -0800
      Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-17 10:32 -0800
        Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-17 11:02 -0800
  Re: Static type checking: hybrid mode in Groovy Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-11-19 11:49 +0100

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