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Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML??

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  To: Gene Wirchenko
From: "markspace" <markspace@1:261/38.remove-5ky-this>

  To: Gene Wirchenko
From: "markspace" <markspace@1:261/38.remove-z1h-this>

  To: Gene Wirchenko
From: markspace <-@.>

On 7/27/2012 9:16 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>
>       Yes.  Where is the learning reference for what these classes do?


Just to elaborate a bit on what Robert is saying, the Java Tutorials on 
Oracle's site provide an excellent "How-To" guide on many subjects.

Java is also open source, and the source for many classes is easy to read.  If 
you really need to burrow down into behavior, read the source.
  This is bordering on the intermediate-advanced level of programmer,
however.


> If one does not already know the class, JavaDoc is not too useful.


I also disagree here and agree with Robert.  If you do not know *Java* well, 
the Java docs are not too useful.  Once you learn the language fairly well, 
picking useful information out of the Java docs is quick, accurate and easy.

I taught myself Java, and I went through an early phase of "the Java docs are 
useless."  They kind of are, when you are first learning.  Once you "grok" 
Java, they're great.  I can now often pick details of classes right off the 
better than some folks on this list who I believe to have more experience in 
Java than I do.  There's a learning curve, but it's very manageable.


>       It is and it isn't.  Why do you think that there is such a big
> market for intro texts for a language?  It is interesting to me though
> that, IME, the next step (mid-level) has little, and this is true in
> many languages; Java is not special in this regard.


It's true of many languages because it's true, period.  There's a lot of domain 
specific best practice, design patterns, etc. that would be totally 
inappropriate for the core language reference to address.

In other words, welcome to the real world, kid.

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Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? "Robert Klemme" <robert.klemme@1:261/38.remove-z1h-this> - 2012-07-28 18:36 +0000
  Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? "Gene Wirchenko" <gene.wirchenko@1:261/38.remove-z1h-this> - 2012-07-28 18:36 +0000
    Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? "Robert Klemme" <robert.klemme@1:261/38.remove-5bm-this> - 2012-07-29 18:16 +0000
      Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? "Gene Wirchenko" <gene.wirchenko@1:261/38.remove-5bm-this> - 2012-07-29 18:16 +0000
    Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? "markspace" <markspace@1:261/38.remove-5bm-this> - 2012-07-29 18:16 +0000
  Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? "David Lamb" <david.lamb@1:261/38.remove-5bm-this> - 2012-07-29 18:16 +0000
    Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? "Robert Klemme" <robert.klemme@1:261/38.remove-5bm-this> - 2012-07-29 18:16 +0000
      Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? "Eric Sosman" <eric.sosman@1:261/38.remove-pvc-this> - 2012-07-29 19:19 +0000
      Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? "Gene Wirchenko" <gene.wirchenko@1:261/38.remove-x1c-this> - 2012-07-31 20:06 +0000

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