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Re: calling own methods from constructor

From	Lew <lew@lewscanon.com>
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Subject	Re: calling own methods from constructor
Date	2011-04-07 14:10 -0700
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Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
> Actually, I tried to explain, why I was rambling about static methods
> in response to your example.
>

No, you tried to be sarcastic and to make my answer seem wrong even
though it was precisely what you asked for.

> Now, that you've made your point clearer, namely that getClass()
> behaves like a virtual method overridden for *every* class, I even
> understand it.
>

And it even exactly fits the parameters of your original question.

> I'm just not yet convinced that this particular pattern, which is already
> handled by JVM-magic (rather than by the compiler synthesizing those
> virtual methods), would say "it's good to be able to call overridable
> non-static methods from a constructor" sufficiently loudly. ;-)

I didn't ever say that it was good in such a general sense, thank you
very much for shifting the context yet again.

You asked if there were specific cases where it was good to use an
overridable (you never said 'final' until you started pulling your "no
true Scotsman" routine) method.  I pointed out such.

"Loudness" was not part of your request.

It's just that there are occasionally (!) times when an overridable
method (though not necessarily a 'final' one, since even 'final'
methods can call overridable methods in turn) can be usefully called
inside a constructor (or initializer, equivalently).  That was the
parameter of the original question, and that has been demonstrated.

Twice over, now.

--
Lew

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calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-06 20:48 +0000
  Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-06 23:06 +0100
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-06 18:24 -0400
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 08:44 +0000
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-04-07 04:14 -0700
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 12:32 +0000
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-04-07 05:55 -0700
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <lew@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 08:10 -0700
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 20:31 +0000
                Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <lew@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 14:10 -0700
                Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 22:15 +0000
                Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 21:22 -0400
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-07 23:08 +0100
                Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 21:24 -0400
                Re: calling own methods from constructor "Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-09 22:06 -0700
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-07 23:10 +0100
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 22:24 +0000
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 07:19 -0400
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 12:24 +0000
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-04-06 20:46 -0400
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 08:36 +0000
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-04-07 07:16 -0300
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 11:26 +0000
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Paul Cager <paul.cager@googlemail.com> - 2011-04-07 03:20 -0700
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 11:36 +0000
  Re: calling own methods from constructor Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-06 22:23 -0400
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 09:13 +0000
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Tobias Blass <tobiasblass@gmx.net> - 2011-04-07 10:58 +0000
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 12:19 +0000
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 10:40 -0700
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Tobias Blass <tobiasblass@gmx.net> - 2011-04-07 19:00 +0000
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 20:11 +0000
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-04-07 14:36 -0600
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-04-07 20:59 -0400
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-04-07 10:26 -0600
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 20:16 +0000
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <lew@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 14:05 -0700
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-04-07 16:15 -0600
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 21:28 -0400
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 23:21 -0400
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 23:39 -0400
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 23:58 -0400
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-08 20:32 +0100
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-07 23:05 +0100
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-04-07 17:38 -0600
  Re: calling own methods from constructor Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-04-07 03:20 -0700
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 11:32 +0000
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    Re: calling own methods from constructor Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-04-08 01:56 +0200
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-08 09:30 +0000
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-04-08 20:02 +0200

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