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Re: calling own methods from constructor

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From	Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at>
Subject	Re: calling own methods from constructor
References	<slrnippkd9.phi.avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> <2011040622233261380-angrybaldguy@gmailcom>
Message-ID	<slrnipr02k.phi.avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
Date	2011-04-07 09:13 +0000

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Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-04-06 16:48:41 -0400, Andreas Leitgeb said:
>
>> There is well-known danger in calling own methods from the
>> constructor, namely that the method called may be overridden
>> by a subclass, which is really instanciated, but whose specific
>> constructor has not yet been run.
>> 
>> I do not intend to delve into the details of static, private
>> or final methods, or final'ity of the class itself (and maybe
>> others) avoiding these problems, but instead I'm curious, why
>> Java just doesn't simply forbid the dangerous calls.
>
> It's hard to prove that a constructor never calls a virtual method. Consider:
> [ example of c'tor calling a private method "internalInit", which in turn
>   calls virtual "virtualMethod". ]

Good point. The compiler couldn't (at least not statically) prevent
indirect calling of overridable non-static methods.

But otoh., it refuses to compile this:
  String bad = (String) new Integer(42);
while allowing this: (sure bomb at runtime)
  String bad = (String) (Object) new Integer(42);

So, not being able to prevent something happening indirectly,
doesn't imply that the direct way would need to be allowed, too.

So, it boils down to the original question of whether there is also
a good use of constructors (directly or indirectly) invoking
overridable virtual methods.

What it "good"? I have no exact definition, but if one of the 
Java gurus (Brian Goetz, Joshua Bloch, James Gosling,...) ever
before suggested a pattern that would involve it, then chances
are good, that I'd accept it. Also, if the JSL or one of the big
Java-based projects used it. Tom's example (Library) didn't
convince me so far.

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calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-06 20:48 +0000
  Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-06 23:06 +0100
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-06 18:24 -0400
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 08:44 +0000
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-04-07 04:14 -0700
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 12:32 +0000
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-04-07 05:55 -0700
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <lew@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 08:10 -0700
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 20:31 +0000
                Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <lew@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 14:10 -0700
                Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 22:15 +0000
                Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 21:22 -0400
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-07 23:08 +0100
                Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 21:24 -0400
                Re: calling own methods from constructor "Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-09 22:06 -0700
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-07 23:10 +0100
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 22:24 +0000
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 07:19 -0400
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 12:24 +0000
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-04-06 20:46 -0400
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 08:36 +0000
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-04-07 07:16 -0300
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 11:26 +0000
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Paul Cager <paul.cager@googlemail.com> - 2011-04-07 03:20 -0700
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 11:36 +0000
  Re: calling own methods from constructor Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-06 22:23 -0400
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 09:13 +0000
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Tobias Blass <tobiasblass@gmx.net> - 2011-04-07 10:58 +0000
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 12:19 +0000
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 10:40 -0700
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Tobias Blass <tobiasblass@gmx.net> - 2011-04-07 19:00 +0000
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 20:11 +0000
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-04-07 14:36 -0600
              Re: calling own methods from constructor Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-04-07 20:59 -0400
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-04-07 10:26 -0600
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 20:16 +0000
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <lew@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 14:05 -0700
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-04-07 16:15 -0600
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-04-07 21:28 -0400
          Re: calling own methods from constructor Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 23:21 -0400
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 23:39 -0400
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 23:58 -0400
            Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-08 20:32 +0100
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-04-07 23:05 +0100
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-04-07 17:38 -0600
  Re: calling own methods from constructor Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-04-07 03:20 -0700
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-07 11:32 +0000
  Re: calling own methods from constructor Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-04-08 01:51 +0200
    Re: calling own methods from constructor Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-04-08 01:56 +0200
      Re: calling own methods from constructor Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-04-08 09:30 +0000
        Re: calling own methods from constructor Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-04-08 20:02 +0200

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