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The Lisp Curse

Started byAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
First post2011-06-26 15:13 -0500
Last post2011-07-02 17:52 +0000
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  The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-06-26 15:13 -0500
    Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-06-27 16:13 +0100
      Re: The Lisp Curse vandys@vsta.org - 2011-06-27 15:50 +0000
        Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-06-27 16:55 +0100
          Re: The Lisp Curse vandys@vsta.org - 2011-06-27 17:23 +0000
            Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-06-27 20:09 +0100
            Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-29 18:59 -0700
              Re: The Lisp Curse Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-30 12:49 +0100
                Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-02 16:38 -0700
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-07-03 11:27 +0000
                    Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-03 17:40 -0700
                    Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-04 18:38 -0700
            Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-06-30 12:25 -0700
              Forth OO ( was: Re: The Lisp Curse ) Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2011-07-12 09:43 -0400
                Re: Forth OO ( was: Re: The Lisp Curse ) Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2011-07-12 12:35 -0400
                Re: Forth OO ( was: Re: The Lisp Curse ) John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-13 10:02 -0700
                  Re: Forth OO ( was: Re: The Lisp Curse ) Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2011-07-14 08:32 -0400
                    Re: Forth OO ( was: Re: The Lisp Curse ) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-14 07:10 -0700
                      Re: Forth OO ( was: Re: The Lisp Curse ) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-14 09:31 -0500
              Re: The Lisp Curse arc@vorsicht-bissig.de - 2011-07-12 22:20 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-13 10:01 -0700
          Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-28 03:02 -0400
            Re: The Lisp Curse Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-06-27 21:29 -1000
              Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-28 06:55 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-06-28 06:17 -0500
              Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-06-28 14:14 +0100
              Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-30 16:08 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-01 16:01 -0400
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-07-01 13:41 -1000
                    Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-04 21:18 -0700
                      Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-05 02:26 -0700
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-02 16:56 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-02 08:28 +0100
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-02 17:00 -0700
                    Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-03 10:20 +0100
                      Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-04 20:57 -0700
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-06 15:45 +0100
                          Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-06 16:19 -0700
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2011-07-07 01:23 +0000
                              Re: The Lisp Curse "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2011-07-06 21:44 -0400
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-06 19:01 -0700
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2011-07-07 10:39 +0000
                                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-07 13:07 -0700
                            Re: The Lisp Curse "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2011-07-06 21:42 -0400
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-07 10:32 +0100
                              Re: The Lisp Curse marko <marko@marko.marko.marko> - 2011-07-07 22:09 +1000
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-07 09:19 -0500
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-07 14:08 -0700
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-08 10:33 +0100
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-08 05:31 -0500
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-08 17:47 +0100
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse vandys@vsta.org - 2011-07-08 17:23 +0000
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Spam@ControlQ.com - 2011-07-08 15:34 -0400
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-08 21:04 +0100
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-08 10:34 -0700
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-08 21:28 +0100
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-09 15:25 -0700
                                            Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-10 10:14 +0100
                                              Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-10 22:02 -0700
                                                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-11 03:18 -0700
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-11 12:42 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-07-12 19:42 +0000
                                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-12 14:42 -0700
                                                Re: The Lisp Curse Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-07-11 07:01 -0700
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-11 07:24 -0700
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-11 20:40 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2011-07-11 21:24 -0700
                                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-12 18:54 -0700
                                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2011-07-12 20:45 -0700
                                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-13 00:28 -0700
                                                        Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-13 10:25 -0700
                                                Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-11 19:55 +0100
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-11 13:41 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Mark Wills <forthfreak@forthfiles.net> - 2011-07-11 13:45 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Jan Coombs <jan_2011-02@murray-microft.co.uk> - 2011-07-12 21:51 +0100
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-09 16:49 -0700
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-11 04:27 -0700
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-07 14:53 -0700
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-28 11:57 +0100
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-29 21:54 -0700
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2011-07-30 18:22 -0500
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-01 12:59 +0000
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2011-08-02 00:07 -0500
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-01 22:58 -0700
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-08 20:44 -0700
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-07-31 10:25 +0100
              Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-08 16:00 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-08-10 07:08 -1000
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-10 18:01 -0700
                    Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-11 03:05 -0700
                      Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-11 07:37 -0700
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-08-11 10:07 -0500
                          Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-11 08:32 -0700
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-11 08:37 -0700
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-11 18:25 -0700
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-12 01:37 -0700
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-12 07:15 -0700
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-12 08:02 -0700
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-11 08:13 -0700
                          Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-11 18:50 -0700
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-12 01:39 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse arc <arc@vorsicht-bissig.de> - 2011-08-11 10:06 +0000
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-11 08:02 -0700
                    Re: The Lisp Curse arc <arc@vorsicht-bissig.de> - 2011-08-12 11:49 +0000
                      Re: The Lisp Curse arc <arc@vorsicht-bissig.de> - 2011-08-12 13:18 +0000
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-08-12 18:49 +0200
                          Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-08-12 12:52 -0700
                            Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-14 09:54 -0400
                              Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-08-14 12:53 -0700
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-08-14 13:21 -0700
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-08-14 15:09 -0700
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-15 04:52 -0400
                                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-15 03:46 -0400
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2011-08-15 12:15 +0000
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-08-15 20:51 +0200
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2011-08-15 21:56 +0000
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse "Jeff M." <massung@gmail.com> - 2011-08-15 19:50 -0700
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-08-16 03:07 -0700
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-08-18 23:45 -0700
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse arc <arc@vorsicht-bissig.de> - 2011-08-18 11:38 +0000
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-08-18 07:57 -1000
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-08-15 06:01 -0700
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-16 05:10 -0400
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-08-16 03:13 -0700
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-08-18 23:31 -0700
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-19 06:09 -0400
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-20 17:14 -0700
                                            Re: The Lisp Curse "Jeff M." <massung@gmail.com> - 2011-08-20 20:38 -0700
                                              Re: The Lisp Curse "Jeff M." <massung@gmail.com> - 2011-08-20 20:49 -0700
                                              Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-20 23:39 -0700
                                                Re: The Lisp Curse "Jeff M." <massung@gmail.com> - 2011-08-21 00:29 -0700
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-21 00:57 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-21 01:04 -0700
                                                Hamming numbers (was: The Lisp Curse) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-22 16:12 +0000
                                            Re: The Lisp Curse Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201108.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-08-21 13:21 +0200
                                              Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-21 10:40 -0700
                                                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-21 13:56 -0400
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-21 12:33 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-21 12:42 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-21 13:30 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-22 12:49 -0400
                                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-23 10:20 -0700
                                                        Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-23 20:15 -0400
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-21 13:41 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-22 11:48 -0400
                                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-22 10:36 -0700
                                                        Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-22 22:57 -0400
                                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-22 23:28 -0700
                                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-23 04:16 -0700
                                                            Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-08-23 08:29 -0500
                                                              Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-08-23 14:59 -0700
                                                                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-23 20:12 -0400
                                                            Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-23 20:09 -0400
                                                Re: The Lisp Curse vandys@vsta.org - 2011-08-22 16:54 +0000
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2011-08-23 10:48 -0400
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-08-23 11:41 -0500
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse vandys@vsta.org - 2011-08-23 17:11 +0000
                                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-08-23 12:27 -0500
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-08-23 10:07 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2011-08-23 13:02 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse vandys@vsta.org - 2011-08-23 20:30 +0000
                                            Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-21 13:49 -0400
                                              Re: The Lisp Curse George Hubert <georgeahubert@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-08-22 01:49 -0700
                                              Re: The Lisp Curse vandys@vsta.org - 2011-08-22 17:02 +0000
                                                Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-08-22 07:50 -1000
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-23 01:03 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-08-22 22:38 -1000
                                            Hamming numbers (was: The Lisp Curse) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-22 15:10 +0000
                                              Re: Hamming numbers Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-23 00:09 -0700
                                                Re: Hamming numbers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-23 13:09 +0000
                                                  Re: Hamming numbers Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-23 10:41 -0700
                                                  Re: Hamming numbers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-23 17:58 +0000
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse vandys@vsta.org - 2011-08-19 17:41 +0000
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-19 18:05 +0000
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-08-19 13:53 -0500
                                            Re: The Lisp Curse Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2011-08-19 13:15 -0700
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-19 15:39 -0700
                                            Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-19 19:49 -0400
                                              Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-19 17:41 -0700
                                                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-20 03:54 -0400
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2011-08-20 15:20 +0000
                                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-21 14:41 -0700
                                                    Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-22 11:47 -0400
                                                      Re: The Lisp Curse coos haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2011-08-22 20:30 +0200
                                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-22 15:22 -0700
                                                        Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-22 23:34 -0400
                                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-22 22:48 -0700
                                                            Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-23 20:07 -0400
                                                Re: The Lisp Curse Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-08-20 08:55 +0000
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-12 10:49 -0700
                          Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-13 14:03 +0000
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-14 07:57 -0700
                        Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-08-12 09:51 -1000
                          Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-13 13:45 +0000
                            Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-08-13 08:08 -1000
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-08-14 02:56 +0200
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-08-13 04:35 -0500
                      Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-08-12 07:53 -0700
                      Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-13 14:13 +0000
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-13 13:59 -0700
                          Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-08-14 14:46 +0000
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-08-17 01:31 -0700
            Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-06-28 03:24 -0500
            Re: The Lisp Curse Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-28 19:55 +0200
              Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-29 06:30 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-06-29 13:49 +0100
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-06-29 14:02 +0100
                  Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-29 18:16 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-29 15:45 +0200
                  Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-29 19:45 -0400
                    Re: The Lisp Curse Elko T <nono.black.elko@gmail.com> - 2011-06-29 22:08 -0400
                      Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-30 10:07 -0400
                        Re: The Lisp Curse coos haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2011-06-30 20:44 +0200
                          Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-30 18:08 -0400
                        Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Elko T <nono.black.elko@gmail.com> - 2011-06-30 20:07 -0400
                          Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Elko T <nono.black.elko@gmail.com> - 2011-06-30 22:12 -0400
                            Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-01 16:01 -0400
                              Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Elko T <nono.black.elko@gmail.com> - 2011-07-01 17:59 -0400
                                Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2011-07-01 16:33 -0700
                                Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-02 18:37 -0400
                          Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2011-07-01 06:07 -0500
                            Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-01 16:00 -0400
                          Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-07-01 14:06 +0000
                            Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Elko T <nono.black.elko@gmail.com> - 2011-07-01 14:57 -0400
                              Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-07-02 16:55 +0000
                          Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-01 16:04 -0400
                            Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-02 11:26 -0700
                              Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) coos haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2011-07-02 22:10 +0200
                                Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-02 14:36 -0700
                                  Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Elko T <nono.black.elko@gmail.com> - 2011-07-02 21:36 -0400
                              Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-02 18:25 -0400
                                Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-03 10:53 -0700
                              Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Elko T <nono.black.elko@gmail.com> - 2011-07-04 23:41 -0400
                                Re: Counted vs. terminated strings (Re: The Lisp Curse) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-05 01:02 -0700
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-07-02 22:46 +0200
                        Re: The Lisp Curse David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2011-07-18 01:25 -0400
                    Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-06-30 14:44 +0100
                      Re: The Lisp Curse Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-30 23:24 +0100
                    Re: The Lisp Curse Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-07-03 12:04 +0200
                      Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-03 20:24 -0400
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-04 02:21 -0700
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-07-04 16:02 +0200
                          Re: The Lisp Curse Tarkin <tarkin000@gmail.com> - 2011-07-04 10:21 -0700
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-04 11:13 -0700
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Tarkin <tarkin000@gmail.com> - 2011-07-04 12:31 -0700
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-04 15:01 -0700
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-07-04 13:23 -1000
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-05 01:45 -0700
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-07-05 11:34 +0000
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-05 05:34 -0700
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-07-05 14:28 +0000
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-05 09:39 -0700
                                          OT: full virtualization (was: The Lisp Curse) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-07-07 15:36 +0000
                                            Re: OT: full virtualization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-07 13:17 -0500
                                              Re: OT: full virtualization Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-08 04:53 -0700
                                              Re: OT: full virtualization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-07-08 17:11 +0000
                                                Re: OT: full virtualization Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-08 12:41 -0700
                                            Re: OT: full virtualization (was: The Lisp Curse) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-08 04:34 -0700
                                              Re: OT: full virtualization (was: The Lisp Curse) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-07-10 16:03 +0000
                                                Re: OT: full virtualization (was: The Lisp Curse) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-10 13:06 -0700
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-07-07 00:11 +0200
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-07-06 12:47 -1000
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-07-07 10:07 +0000
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Tarkin <tarkin000@gmail.com> - 2011-07-07 13:00 -0700
                          Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-04 12:40 -0500
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-04 11:15 -0700
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-04 15:53 -0500
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-07-05 10:16 +0200
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-05 02:23 -0700
                              Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-05 09:54 -0500
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-07-05 22:33 +0200
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-05 16:28 -0500
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-05 16:18 -0700
                          Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-04 15:03 -0400
                            Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-07-05 00:20 +0200
                              Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-05 11:35 -0400
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-07-05 09:46 -0700
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-07-05 23:13 +0200
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-05 15:31 -0700
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2011-07-07 04:38 -0500
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-05 19:21 -0500
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-07-05 14:57 -1000
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-07-05 20:48 -0700
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-07-06 07:38 -0700
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-06 09:46 -0500
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2011-07-07 04:38 -0500
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-07 10:41 -0500
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-07-07 09:12 -0700
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-06 09:53 -0500
                                Re: The Lisp Curse Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-07-06 21:45 +0200
                                  Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-07 14:48 -0400
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-07-07 20:20 +0100
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse coos haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2011-07-08 04:39 +0200
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-07-12 23:22 +0100
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-07-12 19:35 -0400
                                            Re: The Lisp Curse Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2011-07-13 23:37 +0100
                                    Re: The Lisp Curse Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-07-12 05:10 +0200
                                      Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-12 03:44 -0500
                                        Re: The Lisp Curse Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-07-13 22:06 +0200
                                          Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-14 04:01 -0500
                                Re: The Lisp Curse kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2011-07-07 04:38 -0500
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-03 07:34 -0500
                Re: The Lisp Curse Spam@ControlQ.com - 2011-06-29 13:25 -0400
                  Forth as implementation language vandys@vsta.org - 2011-06-29 18:27 +0000
                    Re: Forth as implementation language Spam@ControlQ.com - 2011-06-29 17:50 -0400
                      Re: Forth as implementation language vandys@vsta.org - 2011-06-29 22:45 +0000
                      Re: Forth as implementation language Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-30 13:04 +0100
                        Re: Forth as implementation language Spam@ControlQ.com - 2011-06-30 11:42 -0400
                          Re: Forth as implementation language "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-30 13:12 -0400
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-06-29 08:38 -1000
                    Re: The Lisp Curse Spam@ControlQ.com - 2011-06-29 18:01 -0400
                      Re: The Lisp Curse Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-06-29 12:50 -1000
                      Re: The Lisp Curse stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2011-06-30 08:15 +0000
                        Re: The Lisp Curse Spam@ControlQ.com - 2011-07-03 15:22 -0400
                    Re: The Lisp Curse Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-30 13:09 +0100
                  Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-29 18:31 -0400
                  Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-06-29 23:01 -0700
              Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-07-01 09:42 -0500
                Re: The Lisp Curse Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-07-01 18:49 +0000
    Re: The Lisp Curse Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2011-06-29 15:41 -0700
      Re: The Lisp Curse "Fuschia, President-Elect of the Bright Purplish-Green Council" <fp-eotbp-gc@ibm.com> - 2011-06-29 19:16 -0400
    Re: The Lisp Curse Mark Wills <forthfreak@forthfiles.net> - 2011-06-30 00:34 -0700
      Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-07-02 17:52 +0000

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#3831

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2011-07-05 19:21 -0500
Message-ID<leadnUUdXKkfN47TnZ2dnUVZ7oKdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#3811
Rod Pemberton <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> wrote:

> I lived through it.  You're correct that the "world" didn't start
> with the 8080, it all started with the 6502.  The 6502 was the first
> microprocessor

I'm beginning to wonder if this is one of those party games where the
idea is to say as any many untruths as you can without anyone
noticing!

Andrew.

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#3833

FromElizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com>
Date2011-07-05 14:57 -1000
Message-ID<CMGdnQDEzf-cLo7TnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#3831
On 7/5/11 2:21 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> Rod Pemberton<do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm>  wrote:
>
>> I lived through it.  You're correct that the "world" didn't start
>> with the 8080, it all started with the 6502.  The 6502 was the first
>> microprocessor
>
> I'm beginning to wonder if this is one of those party games where the
> idea is to say as any many untruths as you can without anyone
> noticing!
>
> Andrew.

6502: 1975
6800: February 1974
8080: April 1974

Cheers,
Elizabeth

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#3835

FromJohn Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-05 20:48 -0700
Message-ID<f59392ea-29ec-483e-a2dd-da5fd089cc02@x12g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3833
On Jul 5, 8:57 pm, Elizabeth D Rather <erat...@forth.com> wrote:
> 6502: 1975
> 6800: February 1974
> 8080: April 1974

And if you want to really go back...

8008: 1972 (cited as first 8-bit micro)
4004: 1971 (4-bit, cited as the first micro)

I wonder if Rod will pull a Sarah Palin and try to rewrite history by
rewriting Wikipedia.  8-)

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#3836

FromBruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net>
Date2011-07-06 07:38 -0700
Message-ID<cc7022a0-4da2-48ea-85e6-1c9bf17dd295@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3835
On Jul 5, 11:48 pm, John Passaniti <john.passan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 8:57 pm, Elizabeth D Rather <erat...@forth.com> wrote:
>
> > 6502: 1975
> > 6800: February 1974
> > 8080: April 1974
>
> And if you want to really go back...
>
> 8008: 1972 (cited as first 8-bit micro)
> 4004: 1971 (4-bit, cited as the first micro)
>
> I wonder if Rod will pull a Sarah Palin and try to rewrite history by
> rewriting Wikipedia.  8-)

I believe the claim was:

"The 6502 was the first microprocessor
that had the major breakthrough that brought inexpensive and
increasingly
faster microprocessor based computing to the masses: pipelining."

Which is to say, that if the final memory-clock-locked processor cycle
of a machine instruction was internal to the processor, the same cycle
was used to fetch the next instruction. This allowed the three clock
cycle operation:
   LDA #0

(load instruction, load first operand byte and parse instruction, load
operand byte into accumulator) to only take 2 machine cycles, as the
final machine cycle was also used to load the next instruction.

That alone, and not the low gate count so reasonably high yield even
with the processes of the day leading to substantially lower cost 6502
chips in the mid-1970's vs 8080 chips was the secret of the 6502's
success!

And that was how! the art of instruction pipelining! that modern
memory-clock-locked processors rely upon today! came to the desktop!

... errrrh, kind of? maybe? a little bit?

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#3838

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2011-07-06 09:46 -0500
Message-ID<HKidnTKUWaLU6InTnZ2dnUVZ8k-dnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#3836
BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 11:48?pm, John Passaniti <john.passan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 8:57?pm, Elizabeth D Rather <erat...@forth.com> wrote:
>>
>> > 6502: 1975
>> > 6800: February 1974
>> > 8080: April 1974
>>
>> And if you want to really go back...
>>
>> 8008: 1972 (cited as first 8-bit micro)
>> 4004: 1971 (4-bit, cited as the first micro)
>>
>> I wonder if Rod will pull a Sarah Palin and try to rewrite history by
>> rewriting Wikipedia. ?8-)
> 
> I believe the claim was:
> 
> "The 6502 was the first microprocessor
> that had the major breakthrough that brought inexpensive and
> increasingly
> faster microprocessor based computing to the masses: pipelining."

Yes, you're right.  I was being rather unfair.
 
Andrew.

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#3850

Fromkenney@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date2011-07-07 04:38 -0500
Message-ID<t9idnfie2o8444jTnZ2dnUVZ8lidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#3836
In article 
<cc7022a0-4da2-48ea-85e6-1c9bf17dd295@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, 
agila61@netscape.net (BruceMcF) wrote:

> increasingly
> faster microprocessor based computing to the masses: pipelining."

 Except that Z80 and 8080 machines had market dominance throughout the 
period especially in the UK. 

 Ken Young

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#3857

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2011-07-07 10:41 -0500
Message-ID<BpudnWzliZc2TojTnZ2dnUVZ8m6dnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#3850
kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article 
> <cc7022a0-4da2-48ea-85e6-1c9bf17dd295@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, 
> agila61@netscape.net (BruceMcF) wrote:
> 
>> increasingly
>> faster microprocessor based computing to the masses: pipelining."
> 
> Except that Z80 and 8080 machines had market dominance throughout
> the period especially in the UK.

I had the feeling that it was pretty much 50:50 between the 6502 and
the Z80.

The Z80 was popular, not so much the 8080: that was really a 3-chip
processor which needed the 8224 and 8228 to get it to work, and it
also needed three power rails.  The 8085 and the Z80 were much more
practical single-chip processors.

Andrew.

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#3858

FromBruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net>
Date2011-07-07 09:12 -0700
Message-ID<fb11fe4e-fb10-447e-bcca-9e1d3169c3eb@w24g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3850
On Jul 7, 5:38 am, ken...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <cc7022a0-4da2-48ea-85e6-1c9bf17dd...@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,

> agil...@netscape.net (BruceMcF) wrote:
> > increasingly
> > faster microprocessor based computing to the masses: pipelining."

>  Except that Z80 and 8080 machines had market dominance throughout the
> period especially in the UK.

As far as market dominance, it likely depends on how you define your
markets and when you start counting. With the AppleII and then C64 the
6502 did OK in the US market in the 8bit era, though CP/M generated an
active Z80 market which was stronger in the high end than the low end,
so counting by unit sales and counting by dollar sales volume might
well give different result. In the UK and Japan there was a stronger
Z80 presence in the low end.

I was not actually quoting approvingly ~ what the 6502 did was not
what most people understand by instruction pipelining today.

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#3839

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2011-07-06 09:53 -0500
Message-ID<HKidnS2UWaJk64nTnZ2dnUVZ8k-dnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#3831
Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote:
> Rod Pemberton <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> wrote:
> 
>> I lived through it.  You're correct that the "world" didn't start
>> with the 8080, it all started with the 6502.  The 6502 was the first
>> microprocessor
> 
> I'm beginning to wonder if this

I'm sorry Rod, the way I snipped this was unfair and misleading.  Mea culpa.

Andrew.

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#3840

FromNomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>
Date2011-07-06 21:45 +0200
Message-ID<df88fc8cfd40b995dfa513b2f4813f63@dizum.com>
In reply to#3811
"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> wrote:

> That's intellectual dishonesty.  I quoted K&R.  It says it's unecessary.

No, they show cases and explain where it's *better* to use goto. Nobody says
goto is necessary in C, but K&R *did* give an example where it's better to
use goto than not to use it.

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#3865

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm>
Date2011-07-07 14:48 -0400
Message-ID<iv4v2o$d3l$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#3840
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:df88fc8cfd40b995dfa513b2f4813f63@dizum.com...
> "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> wrote:
>
> > That's intellectual dishonesty.  I quoted K&R.  It says it's unecessary.
>
> No, they show cases and explain where it's *better* to use goto.
>

Better?  I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion from what they said.
I see numerous disclaimers saying it's unecessary, but here are some
examples of it's use since it's part of the language.

> Nobody says
> goto is necessary in C, but K&R *did* give an example where
> it's better to use goto than not to use it.
>

1) "... the goto statement is never necessary ..."

2) " ... it is almost always easy to write code without it. "

3) "Code involving a goto can always be written without one."

4) "... it does seem that goto statements should be used rarely, if at all"

Don't all those state GOTOs are unecessary?  The first even uses "never
necessary".  After they stated it four time in a row, I'm not sure what I
could've misunderstood here.


Rod Pemberton

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#3869

FromChris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-07 20:20 +0100
Message-ID<2011070720205994579-chrishinsley@gmailcom>
In reply to#3865
On 2011-07-07 19:48:06 +0100, Rod Pemberton said:

> "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:df88fc8cfd40b995dfa513b2f4813f63@dizum.com...
>> "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> wrote:
>> 
>>> That's intellectual dishonesty.  I quoted K&R.  It says it's unecessary.
>> 
>> No, they show cases and explain where it's *better* to use goto.
>> 
> 
> Better?  I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion from what they said.
> I see numerous disclaimers saying it's unecessary, but here are some
> examples of it's use since it's part of the language.
> 
>> Nobody says
>> goto is necessary in C, but K&R *did* give an example where
>> it's better to use goto than not to use it.
>> 
> 
> 1) "... the goto statement is never necessary ..."
> 
> 2) " ... it is almost always easy to write code without it. "
> 
> 3) "Code involving a goto can always be written without one."
> 
> 4) "... it does seem that goto statements should be used rarely, if at all"
> 
> Don't all those state GOTOs are unecessary?  The first even uses "never
> necessary".  After they stated it four time in a row, I'm not sure what I
> could've misunderstood here.
> 
> 
> Rod Pemberton

Rod, their useing words ! Got to be careful about that ! :)

Chris

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#3877

Fromcoos haak <chforth@hccnet.nl>
Date2011-07-08 04:39 +0200
Message-ID<vw26hvl2php9.1qmwi4k5fwtgx$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#3869
Op Thu, 7 Jul 2011 20:20:59 +0100 schreef Chris Hinsley:

<snip>
> Rod, their useing words ! Got to be careful about that ! :)
> 
Chris,

My motherlanguage is not English, could you tell me what you just wrote?
1) They're using words
2) Their use of words
3) There they are using words
4) ...

-- 
Coos

CHForth, 16 bit DOS applications
http://home.hccnet.nl/j.j.haak/forth.html

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#4058

FromChris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-12 23:22 +0100
Message-ID<2011071223222374601-chrishinsley@gmailcom>
In reply to#3877
On 2011-07-08 03:39:03 +0100, coos haak said:

> Op Thu, 7 Jul 2011 20:20:59 +0100 schreef Chris Hinsley:
> 
> <snip>
>> Rod, their useing words ! Got to be careful about that ! :)
>> 
> Chris,
> 
> My motherlanguage is not English, could you tell me what you just wrote?
> 1) They're using words
> 2) Their use of words
> 3) There they are using words
> 4) ...

Pardon my incredibly bad spelling and typeing !

And my bad attempt at Forth hummor ! :(

Chris

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#4063

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm>
Date2011-07-12 19:35 -0400
Message-ID<ivilpd$n0k$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#4058
"Chris Hinsley" <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2011071223222374601-chrishinsley@gmailcom...
> On 2011-07-08 03:39:03 +0100, coos haak said:
> > Op Thu, 7 Jul 2011 20:20:59 +0100 schreef Chris Hinsley:
> >
> > <snip>
> >> Rod, their useing words ! Got to be careful about that ! :)
> >>
> > Chris,
> >
> > My motherlanguage is not English, could you tell me what you just wrote?
> > 1) They're using words

I think he meant #1.  He was making a joke.

> > 2) Their use of words
> > 3) There they are using words
> > 4) ...
>
> Pardon my incredibly bad spelling and typeing !
>
> And my bad attempt at Forth hummor ! :(
>

typeing-> typing
hummur-> humor (American) or humour (British)

For spelling, you can just type in the word in Google's or Yahoo's search
box, and they'll suggest corrections:
http://search.yahoo.com/web
http://www.google.com/

Of course, both British (or United Kingdom) and American spellings of
English words come up as correct.  Australian, New Zealand, and Canadian
spellings probably do also.

You can try Babelfish or Google Translate to translate between different
languages:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
http://translate.google.com/


In general, Americans have moved on to easier spellings for English versus
the British.

American  British
 humor     humour
 behavior  behaviour
 while     whilst
 among     amongst
 epilog    epilogue
 prolog    prologue
 truck     lorry
 hood      bonnett
 trunk     boot
etc.

A boot in America is something you wear on your foot that goes above the
ankle to protect your feet from snow, mud, or water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot

The words football and soccer in America usually mean the opposite from the
rest of the English speaking world.  "Football" is what most of the world
calls the game we call soccer.  Football to us is the more violent game with
the helmets, body padding, tackling, ... which is America's favorite sport.

What we call soccer in America (pictures):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football

What we call football in America (pictures):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football


Rod Pemberton

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#4129

FromChris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-13 23:37 +0100
Message-ID<2011071323372932884-chrishinsley@gmailcom>
In reply to#4063
On 2011-07-13 00:35:23 +0100, Rod Pemberton said:

> "Chris Hinsley" <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2011071223222374601-chrishinsley@gmailcom...
>> On 2011-07-08 03:39:03 +0100, coos haak said:
>>> Op Thu, 7 Jul 2011 20:20:59 +0100 schreef Chris Hinsley:
>>> 
>>> <snip>
>>>> Rod, their useing words ! Got to be careful about that ! :)
>>>> 
>>> Chris,
>>> 
>>> My motherlanguage is not English, could you tell me what you just wrote?
>>> 1) They're using words
> 
> I think he meant #1.  He was making a joke.
> 
>>> 2) Their use of words
>>> 3) There they are using words
>>> 4) ...
>> 
>> Pardon my incredibly bad spelling and typeing !
>> 
>> And my bad attempt at Forth hummor ! :(
>> 
> 
> typeing-> typing
> hummur-> humor (American) or humour (British)

I do and always have had trouble writing words, I stare at a word and 
just can't see that it's spelt wrong. On important documents I get 
great help from the spell checker.

I'll try Unisons built in checker for a while. See how it shapes up.

It's never effected my coding though !

Chris

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#4014

FromFritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
Date2011-07-12 05:10 +0200
Message-ID<3ae303ce088bcf1604215f7ef375c06c@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
In reply to#3865
"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> wrote:

> > No, they show cases and explain where it's *better* to use goto.
> >
> 
> Better?  I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion from what they said.
> I see numerous disclaimers saying it's unecessary, but here are some
> examples of it's use since it's part of the language.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
p. 62, section 3.9 Goto's and Labels

.
Nonetheless, we will suggest a few situations where goto's may find a
place. The most common use is to abandon processing in some deeply nested
structure, such as breaking out of two loops at once. The break statement
cannot be used directly since it leaves only the innermost loop.
Thus:

     for ( ... )
         for ( ... ) {
             ...
             if (disaster)
                  goto error;
         }
      ...

error:
      clean up the mess

This organization is handy if the error-handling code is non-trivial, and if
errors can occur in several places. A label has the same form as a variable
name, and is followed by a colon. It can be attached to any statement in the
same function as the goto.

   As another example, consider the problem of finding the first negative
element in a two-dimensional array. (Multi-dimensional arrays are discussed
in Chapter 5.) One possibility is

              for (i = 0; i < N; i++)
                   for (j = 0; j < M; j++)
                        if (v[i][j] < 0)
                             goto found;
              /* didn't find */
             ...
         found:
              /* found one at position i, j */

>From "The C Programming Language", Brian W. Kernighan * Dennis M. Ritchie
Copyright 1978, Bell Telephone Laboratories, Inc.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Comments like "where goto's may find a place" and "this organization is
handy" strongly suggest there are valid, even good reasons to use goto in C.

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#4033

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2011-07-12 03:44 -0500
Message-ID<O-6dnSBOtbz7lIHTnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#4014
Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> p. 62, section 3.9 Goto's and Labels
> 
> .
> Nonetheless, we will suggest a few situations where goto's may find a
> place.

These misplaced apostrophes are really irritating.  Surely they aren't
in your printed copy: they aren't in mine.

Andrew.

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#4124

FromFritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
Date2011-07-13 22:06 +0200
Message-ID<a357dadd97b34e4735bcae10504ac8f4@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
In reply to#4033
Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote:

> Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > p. 62, section 3.9 Goto's and Labels
> > 
> > .
> > Nonetheless, we will suggest a few situations where goto's may find a
> > place.
> 
> These misplaced apostrophes are really irritating.  Surely they aren't
> in your printed copy: they aren't in mine.
> 
> Andrew.

I quoted the text accurately (you conveniently omitted the citation) and I
cited the book and copyright date from whence it came, to wit(less):

> From "The C Programming Language", Brian W. Kernighan * Dennis M. Ritchie
> Copyright 1978, Bell Telephone Laboratories, Inc. 

Andrew I must point out you have a nasty habit of insinuating yourself into
other people's conversations just for the purpose of arguing with people
concerning things that don't involve you and that you have no knowledge
of. That's very nasty business and I think you should learn some manners. I
must also point out you didn't take issue with anyone else's English in this
thread. Haven't you been spanked enough lately? Why do you make yourself
such an easy target?

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#4141

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2011-07-14 04:01 -0500
Message-ID<jYydnRR5B6bqLYPTnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#4124
Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
> Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201107.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > p. 62, section 3.9 Goto's and Labels
>> > 
>> > .
>> > Nonetheless, we will suggest a few situations where goto's may find a
>> > place.
>> 
>> These misplaced apostrophes are really irritating.  Surely they aren't
>> in your printed copy: they aren't in mine.
> 
> I quoted the text accurately (you conveniently omitted the citation)
> and I cited the book and copyright date from whence it came, to
> wit(less):
> 
>> From "The C Programming Language", Brian W. Kernighan * Dennis M. Ritchie
>> Copyright 1978, Bell Telephone Laboratories, Inc. 
>
> Andrew I must point out you have a nasty habit of insinuating
> yourself into other people's conversations just for the purpose of
> arguing with people concerning things that don't involve you and
> that you have no knowledge of.

For goodness' sake, if you want to have a private conversation, take
it to email.  I was quibbling about an apparently incorrect quotation
that you made *in public*.

> That's very nasty business and I think you should learn some
> manners. I must also point out you didn't take issue with anyone
> else's English in this thread.

I don't complain about anyone else's grammar; I make plenty of
mistakes myself.  Bad quotations, however, are another matter, because
they misrepresent a third party.

At least I thought it was a bad quotation, but perhaps those
apostrophes really are in your early edition.  In which case, thank
you for the clarification.
 
> Haven't you been spanked enough lately? Why do you make yourself
> such an easy target?

Huh?

Andrew.

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