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| From | Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | value-flavoured properties of a word (was: value-flavoured structures) |
| Date | 2024-10-06 17:12 +0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vdu2b0$151ad$2@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <2024Oct4.135221@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vdp0tf$80bg$1@dont-email.me> <2024Oct4.200414@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vdr6k8$m1ue$1@dont-email.me> <2024Oct5.175249@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
On 2024-10-05 19:52, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 2024-10-04 22:04, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>> Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 2024-10-04 15:52, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>>>> It can be defined: Gforth has SET-TO
>>> ...
>>>> I wonder why a kind of "TO" is not used to set this field/property, and
>>>> *maybe* a kind of "ACTION-OF" to get this property.
>>>
>>> Interesting idea. Maybe in some future version.
>
> Thinking some more about it, better not:
>
> SET-TO SET-OPTIMIZER etc. all work on the latest definition.
I assumed that there are methods under the hood that work on any given
definition, not the latest one. Or such methods could be defined.
> The methods that they set work on an NT or XT passed on the stack.
> The usual behaviour of defer-flavoured words is that the context is
> the same. If you have
>
> defer d
> ' foo is d
> action-of d
>
> That's always the same global D. For a defer-flavoured field,
> likewise:
>
> 0
> value: vf
> defer: df
> constant mystruct
>
> create foo mystruct allot
>
> 1 foo to vf
> ' . foo is df
>
> foo vf .
> 2 foo df
>
> So having TO TO instead of SET-TO would disobey this principle.
I see. I mean methods to access/change a property of any given word,
namely the "TO name run-time" semantics.
Let the *setter* for a word is an execution token that identifies "TO
name run-time" semantics for the word.
(I understand that in Gforth, the xt of a word is passed to the method
that implements "to", but I consider a simpler variant)
There are several approaches to access or assign the setter for a word.
1. "to-based" approach, but with special words instead of "is" and
"action-of".
\ setter-to ( xt.setter "name" -- )
\ setter-of ( "name" -- xt.setter )
\ Usage example
0 value foo
1 setter-of foo execute
foo . \ prints "1"
[: ( u -- )
dup 10 u> abort" too big value for x"
[ setter-of foo compiler, ]
;] setter-to foo
Disadvantages:
- a visually *unmarked* immediate argument in the input stream,
- inconvenient to work with nt.
2. "to-based" approach for structures
\ name>setter ( nt -- xt.setter )
\ to name>setter ( xt.setter nt -- )
\ Usage example
0 value foo
1 "foo" find-name name>setter execute
foo . \ prints "1"
[: ( u -- )
dup 10 u> abort" too big value for x"
[ "foo" find-name name>setter compiler, ]
;] "foo" find-name to name>setter
Disadvantages:
- a visually *unmarked* immediate argument in the input stream,
- the phrase `"foo" find-name to name>setter`
does look like we are storing an nt from `find-name` into `name>setter`.
(this is the same as for structures)
A solution for the latter: use another name instead of "to"
For example, "to-field"
"foo" find-name to-field name>setter
A solution for the former: mark the input argument. For example:
"foo" find-name to-field( name>setter )
3. Simple words
\ name>setter ( nt -- xt.setter )
\ name-setter! ( xt.setter nt -- )
\ Usage example
0 value foo
1 "foo" find-name name>setter execute
foo . \ prints "1"
[: ( u -- )
dup 10 u> abort" too big value for x"
[ "foo" find-name name>setter compiler, ]
;] "foo" find-name name-setter!
Disadvantages are unknown.
>
> For COMPILE, there is the additional problem that it is a deferred
> word, so when you do "IS COMPILE," you change the behaviour for all
> uses of "COMPILE,", not just of the latest definition. The actual
> method of each definition is called OPT-COMPILE,.
>
In the to-based approach, "compile," should behave like a field in a
structure.
Taking into account that an optimizer (or a special compiler) should be
associated with an xt (not with an nt), this could look as:
[: ( xt -- ) >body lit, ['] @ compile, ;]
' foo is compiler,
Or, with less disadvantages:
[: ( xt -- ) >body lit, ['] @ compile, ;]
' foo to-field( xt-compiler )
\ where
: compile, ( xt -- ) dup xt-compiler execute ;
All of the above are just ideas.
--
Ruvim
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Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-28 22:36 +0000
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-29 14:22 +1000
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-09-29 11:44 -0700
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 16:13 +1000
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-29 14:40 +0200
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-29 16:53 +0000
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-09-29 11:33 -0700
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2024-09-11 11:02 +0200
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-11 13:29 +0200
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-09-12 00:10 -0700
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2024-09-08 14:56 +0000
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-09-08 16:09 +0000
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 17:15 +0200
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-09-09 21:16 +0000
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 12:21 +1000
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-10 12:10 +0200
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-08 16:27 +0000
Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-09 17:34 +0000
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