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Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final

Date 2013-08-16 17:36 +0100
From Graham Smith <"s\" xyzgrahams@tectime.com\" 3 /string">
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final
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On 15/08/2013 12:32, Alex McDonald wrote:
> on 14/08/2013 20:50:38, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> But we know that's not as intended: Stephen Pelc, the originator, has
>> said so.  I was there when he proposed it, and there was certainly no
>> stated intention that a SYNONYM should work with TO and have the same
>> body.  If there had been, I wouldn't have voted for the proposal.  To
>> claim that we did vote for such a thing, or that it is what the
>> proposer itended, is an attempt at a bait and switch con.  I'm not
>> falling for it.
>>
>> Andrew.
>
> No bait & switch is required. I don't know what you voted "yes" on, but
> it couldn't have been this CfV.
>
> The CfV http://www.forth200x.org/synonym.html clearly said;
>
> "Maybe some extra ambiguous conditions must be defined."
>
> They weren't, and you obviously didn't ask for others to be considered.
> Only IMMEDIATE got a mention.
>
> "...where <newname> will behave identically to <oldname>"
>
> You are proposing, in hindsight, that it doesn't behave identically, but
> you accepted the proposal as written and voted in support of it.
>
> "This required when porting code and when generating application
> wordlists that contain a reference to an existing word, e.g. when
> providing limited access to Forth system kernel words."
>
> Except for VALUEs, DEFERs, CREATEs and a bunch of others, of course.
>
> As I said to Elizabeth, if the intention of the CfV wasn't carried out -
> and I contend that it hasn't been - then SYNONYM as defined in the spec
> should be removed; or corrected to *not* exclude TO , >BODY and so on.
> Anything else is unacceptable, as the spec as written doesn't meet the
> intent of the proposal.
>

Surely, all this confusion about what SYNONYM is and what it does can 
easily be rectified by renaming it SIMILE.


-- 
Graham Smith

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RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-12 21:08 +0100
  Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-12 17:02 -0500
  Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-13 06:40 +0000
    Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-13 15:47 +0100
  Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-08-13 08:30 +0000
    Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-13 03:49 -0500
      Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-08-13 12:10 +0000
        Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final graham <"s\" xyzgrahams@tectime.com\" 3 /string"> - 2013-08-14 11:51 +0100
        Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-14 11:11 +0000
          Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-14 07:08 -0500
            Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-14 13:22 +0000
              SYNONYM (was: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-14 13:34 +0000
                Re: SYNONYM (was: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-08-15 12:46 +0000
                Re: SYNONYM (was: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-15 14:44 +0000
                Re: SYNONYM (was: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final) peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2013-08-15 08:09 -0700
              Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-14 09:40 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-14 16:39 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-14 11:32 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-14 18:26 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-14 14:50 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-14 10:28 -1000
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-15 12:04 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-15 07:20 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2013-08-15 08:23 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-15 03:16 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-15 12:32 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-15 07:26 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-15 12:50 +0000
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-15 08:55 -0500
                SYNONYM (was: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-15 14:05 +0000
                Re: SYNONYM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-15 09:16 -0500
                Re: SYNONYM "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-15 16:07 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-15 23:52 +0200
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-16 07:22 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-16 13:39 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-16 08:25 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-16 18:54 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-16 13:13 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-16 13:16 +0000
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-16 09:01 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-16 14:23 +0000
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-16 22:14 +0200
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-16 21:46 +0200
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-17 03:08 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-16 13:42 +0000
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-16 22:12 +0200
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-17 12:29 +0000
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Graham Smith <"s\" xyzgrahams@tectime.com\" 3 /string"> - 2013-08-16 17:36 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-16 12:00 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-16 18:56 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-16 13:07 -0500
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-16 19:18 +0100
                Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Graham Smith <"s\" not@gray@forthman.plus.com\" 4 /string"> - 2013-08-16 20:22 +0100
          Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-08-14 14:42 +0000
      Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-08-14 12:40 +0000
        Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-14 06:20 -0700
          Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-14 06:23 -0700
    Re: RfD v7: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST final "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-13 15:47 +0100

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