Re: Request for comments on a first forth program

From	Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Request for comments on a first forth program
Date	2013-08-01 12:53 +0200
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hughaguilar96@yahoo.com writes:

> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23:21 AM UTC-7, Christian Kellermann wrote:
>> While these may be trivial they have helped me to understand DOES> and I
>> feel confident to define my own defining words when I have to.
>
> I don't use CREATE DOES> at all --- I consider the use of CREATE DOES>
> to be much too novice-level to be used in my novice package. These are
> the reasons:
>
> 1.) CREATE DOES> is inherently inefficient because it involves storing
> constant data (with comma after the CREATE) that is known at
> compile-time. It is inefficient to fetch this data out of memory at
> run-time and work with it as if it were mutable data, which it
> isn't. Pelc has a non-standard hack in VFX that allows the programmer
> to tell the compiler that this data is immutable --- by comparison, my
> novice package solves this problem while yet conforming to ANS-Forth,
> so the user isn't tied to any particular commercial compiler but can
> use any ANS-Forth-compliant compiler.

Whenever you write novice package here, you really are talking about
:NAME and its compangions right?

> All in all, I'm not too impressed with your confidence in knowing how
> to write definer words, when all you know is CREATE DOES>, which I
> consider to be an obsolete 1970s-vintage aspect of Forth --- the
> universe of what can be done in Forth is a somewhat larger than you
> realize! :-)

I don't assume that I know everything, I know for certain that I
don't. From what I have read so far is that the way current
implementations deal with flexibility now is vectored execution. If I
understood the source of novice.4th correctly, this is what you are
doing as well.

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Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-07-19 11:39 +0200
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2013-07-19 13:04 +0300
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-07-19 12:43 -0400
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-07-19 05:28 -0500
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-07-19 03:56 -0700
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-07-19 04:00 -0700
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-07-19 12:51 -0400
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@necronomicon.my.domain> - 2013-07-20 21:28 +0200
        Re: Request for comments on a first forth program anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-22 15:43 +0000
          Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-07-24 20:00 -0700
            Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-07-25 10:37 +0200
              Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-07-26 00:00 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-07-26 09:34 +0200
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-25 21:40 -1000
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-07-27 20:16 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-07-29 10:09 +0200
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-07-29 04:14 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-07-29 07:49 -0500
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-29 15:32 -1000
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-07-31 17:50 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-07-31 13:23 +0200
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-07-31 18:05 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-08-01 12:53 +0200
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-01 09:58 -0500
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-01 20:42 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-08-04 18:53 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-04 22:05 -0500
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-04 20:54 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-17 17:06 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-05 05:50 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-17 17:45 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-08-05 22:14 +0200
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-06 21:11 -0700
                Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-01 01:04 -0500
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-19 18:06 +0000
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@necronomicon.my.domain> - 2013-07-20 21:31 +0200
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@necronomicon.my.domain> - 2013-07-20 21:24 +0200
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-22 15:32 +0000
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-07-19 06:49 -0700
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@necronomicon.my.domain> - 2013-07-20 21:34 +0200
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-07-19 07:19 -0700
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@necronomicon.my.domain> - 2013-07-20 21:41 +0200
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-19 07:55 -1000
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@necronomicon.my.domain> - 2013-07-20 21:47 +0200
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-20 11:15 -1000
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-07-20 20:09 -0700
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2013-07-19 19:36 +0100
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-20 12:36 +0000
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@necronomicon.my.domain> - 2013-07-20 21:53 +0200
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-07-21 02:02 +0200
        Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-20 17:18 -1000
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Ian Osgood <iano@quirkster.com> - 2013-07-23 16:07 -0700
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@necronomicon.my.domain> - 2013-07-20 21:48 +0200
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-20 12:18 +0000
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@necronomicon.my.domain> - 2013-07-20 21:57 +0200
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-20 11:24 -1000
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-07-22 15:53 +0200
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-07-22 08:06 -0700
        Re: Request for comments on a first forth program albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-22 19:35 +0000
          Re: Request for comments on a first forth program m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-07-23 00:41 -0700
          Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-07-23 12:00 +0200
            Re: Request for comments on a first forth program albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-23 12:10 +0000
              Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-07-23 14:19 +0200
              Re: Request for comments on a first forth program stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-24 09:27 +0000
            Re: Request for comments on a first forth program anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-23 13:44 +0000
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-07-20 20:02 -0700
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-21 03:36 +0000
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-07-20 22:28 -0700
        Re: Request for comments on a first forth program albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-21 10:31 +0000
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-07-20 23:41 -0400
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-22 15:36 +0000
  Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2013-07-23 12:22 +0200
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org> - 2013-07-23 13:44 +0200
      Re: Request for comments on a first forth program albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-23 12:26 +0000
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-23 07:10 -1000
    Re: Request for comments on a first forth program stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-24 09:30 +0000

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