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Re: doing exercises for starting forth, kinda discouraging, some are easy and some seem text not prepare me for....

From	Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: doing exercises for starting forth, kinda discouraging, some are easy and some seem text not prepare me for....
Date	2012-06-28 02:31 -0700
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On Jun 28, 9:17 am, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...@notemailnot.cmm>
wrote:
> "Bernd Paysan" <bernd.pay...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> news:jsg615$6cn$1@online.de...> Rod Pemberton wrote:
>
> ...
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> <OT>
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> > > [...]
> > > Many standardized tests are purely language or mathematics based.
> > > Other times such tests are weighted heavily or biased towards memory
> > > and recollection, e.g., names and dates, and not an ability to think or
> > > solve problems.  Commonly, they fail to test musical and visual forms
> > > of intellect.
>
> > Most IQ tests simply test processing speed.  They present you a number
> > of relatively simple problems, and you need to solve them in a limited
> > timeframe.  This is a sort of "brain benchmark", none of the problems is
> > particularly hard.  Problems are typically pattern matching in language,
> > numbers and geometrical problems.  I haven't seen tests that are based
> > on memory or recollection, and these things would be highly dependent on
> > culture, something IQ tests strive to avoid.
>
> > I don't think brain processing speed is an all-too-wrong metric.  But if
> > you have some attention deficite or memory loss, fast processing speed
> > won't help you to gain knowledge or wisdom.
>
> I don't see why "brain processing speed" is a valid metric at all.  It seems
> completely worthless to me.
>
> Why should someone who thinks slowly, but can solve difficult problems be
> devalued?  Yes, there are plenty of people who can think quickly and solve
> difficult problems.  There are also plenty of people who can think quickly,
> but can't solve difficult problems at all.  So, why should an uncapable
> quick thinker be considered to be smarter than a capable slow thinker?
> I.e., the time consumed by an individual to solve a problem seems to have no
> correlation with the _ability_ of one to solve problems.
>
> Rod Pemberton- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

I agree with your point Rod, however, Mensa doesn't agree. All tests
are timed.

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