Re: Whaddaya think?

From	Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Whaddaya think?
Date	2024-06-18 03:07 -0700
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Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
> On 17.06.2024 16:41, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes:
>>> Moving forward, return 0 it is.
>> 
>> By the way, you might have retained return (exp); from old C.  C
>> originally required the parentheses, but they got dropped quite early
>> on.  The syntax in K&R (1st edition) does not require them, but almost
>> all the code example in the book still have them!
>
> This is an interesting observation! (That I can confirm.)
>
> That's probably why originally I also used parenthesis.
> I saw the examples but didn't inspect the syntax appendix.
>
> But how did the early compiler behave?
> Did they follow the code samples' syntax or the formal syntax?

The syntax in the 1975 C reference manual required parentheses as part
of the syntax of a return statement:
    return ;
    return ( expression ) ;
By 1978, when K&R1 was published, the syntax had changed to:
    return ;
    return expression ;

If you write `return (42);`, even in modern C, it's still syntactically
valid.  The parentheses are simply part of the expression, not part of
the syntax of the return statement.

>> I took a while to drop them as I came to C from B where they were always
>> required so I'd got the habit.
>
> I dropped them as soon as I noticed that it's possible.

My personal preference (which I don't follow entirely consistently) is
to try to avoid making things that aren't function calls look too much
like function calls.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-15 15:36 -0400
  Re: Whaddaya think? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 22:33 +0100
  Re: Whaddaya think? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-15 23:03 +0100
    Re: Whaddaya think? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-16 00:22 +0100
      Re: Whaddaya think? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-16 10:30 +0100
    Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-16 11:52 -0400
      Re: Whaddaya think? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-17 00:17 +0100
        Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-17 08:49 -0400
  Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 15:22 -0700
    Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-16 12:20 -0400
      Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 13:54 -0700
      Re: Whaddaya think? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-16 22:41 -0400
        Re: Whaddaya think? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-16 22:45 -0700
        Re: Whaddaya think? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-17 07:39 +0000
          Re: Whaddaya think? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 01:22 -0700
          Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-17 09:50 -0400
            Re: Whaddaya think? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-06-17 16:23 +0100
              Re: Whaddaya think? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-17 18:46 +0200
              Re: Whaddaya think? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-22 22:14 +0000
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 17:10 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2024-06-23 11:20 +0300
          Re: Whaddaya think? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-18 00:19 -0700
            Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 03:10 -0700
              Re: Whaddaya think? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-18 17:24 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 17:55 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-19 01:58 +0000
        Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-17 08:50 -0400
          Re: Whaddaya think? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-17 15:41 +0100
            Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-18 08:12 +0200
              Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 03:07 -0700
      Re: Whaddaya think? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-17 00:30 -0400
  Re: Whaddaya think? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-16 01:56 +0300
    Re: Whaddaya think? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-06-16 03:26 +0000
      Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 05:41 +0200
        Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 21:17 -0700
          Re: Whaddaya think? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-06-16 04:41 +0000
          Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 06:44 +0200
            Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-16 11:09 -0400
              Re: Whaddaya think? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-16 17:56 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-16 18:14 +0100
                Re: Whaddaya think? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-17 14:44 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-17 09:52 -0400
        Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 06:51 +0200
          Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 22:21 -0700
            Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 07:41 +0200
              Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 22:49 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 11:29 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 16:04 +0100
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 17:13 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 13:32 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-17 07:41 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 23:20 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-17 09:16 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-17 09:38 -0400
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 16:17 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-18 07:09 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-18 03:25 -0400
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 02:57 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 16:15 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-18 08:02 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 19:07 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-19 09:50 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 13:13 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-17 02:21 -0400
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-17 09:22 +0200
              Re: Whaddaya think? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-16 11:11 +0300
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 11:07 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-16 12:38 +0300
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 12:03 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-16 14:31 +0300
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 17:37 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-17 00:45 +0300
              Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 17:06 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-16 22:40 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-17 07:52 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-17 09:45 -0400
                Re: Whaddaya think? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 13:16 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-17 17:07 -0400
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 15:48 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-17 22:48 +0000
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 15:44 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 15:00 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-18 06:57 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-18 00:25 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-17 02:38 -0400
                Re: Whaddaya think? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-18 17:01 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-17 07:48 +0200
                Re: Whaddaya think? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 23:29 -0700
                Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-17 09:35 +0200
        Re: Whaddaya think? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 08:19 +0100
        Re: Whaddaya think? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-16 10:44 +0300
          Re: Whaddaya think? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-16 11:13 +0200
    Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-16 11:03 -0400
  Re: Whaddaya think? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-06-16 15:52 +0000
    Re: Whaddaya think? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 17:17 +0100
    Re: Whaddaya think? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-06-18 08:06 +0000
    Re: Whaddaya think? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-06-25 17:37 +0000
      Re: Whaddaya think? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-25 14:09 -0400
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