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Re: JESUS IS LORD!

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"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> escribió en el mensaje 
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>  The words get confusing. I'm thinking of faith as
> experience that doesn't need confirmation or belief,
> while belief is simply that: deciding that something
> is true. Faith doesn't need to decide. It knows. But
> what it knows is not empirical/factual. Faith might
> know God, but it doesn't need to believe in God.
>
>  Sometimes people try to create faith out of belief,
> and then they end up needing to convince others, or
> adopt a fanatical position themselves, because they
> don't actually *know* for themselves.
>
>  Sometimes that kind of belief can lead to faith, but
> not always. So I wasn't using belief and faith to mean
> the same thing. Semantics.

I don't talk of belief in that sense. For me belief is something that you 
accept having enough information, it's not a guess or something that you 
think but you are not quite convinced.
When you believe something you are sure.

I know that in English (and also in Spanish) we use the word "believe", as 
saying "I believe that..." when you are not quite sure, and it's just 
something that you think that could be true but you have some doubts.

Well, when I talk about believing in these other contexts, it's not like 
that.

It's basically "to accept something". You could not be totally sure or 
convinced at the beginning, but once you are on that path (the path of 
believing something) you can see more evidence that confirms your initial 
acceptance or to deny it, and then you don't believe that any more.

Then I could say: to believe (in this context) is to be convinced about 
something.

Of course you can understand the word in other meaning, but I explain how 
I'm using it here.

> | > that you're willing to perceive. And your filters are
> | > contradictory. Is it any surprise, then, that you can't
> | > tolerate each other's stance?
> |
> | What do you say that I don't tolerate?
> |
>
>  Nothing I know of. I meant that you and Mike
> are at unresolvable extremes.

Why unresolvable? I have no problem with Mike. I appreciate him because of 
his help and contributions to the VB group.

And about I'm at an "extreme"... may be, I don't want to be a mediocre 
anyway

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  Re: JESUS IS LORD! ReverendFuzzy <google@msbministries.org> - 2012-07-10 08:36 -0700
    Re: JESUS IS LORD! "DaveO" <djo@dial.pipex.com> - 2012-07-10 16:46 +0100
      Re: JESUS IS LORD! ReverendFuzzy <google@msbministries.org> - 2012-07-10 09:23 -0700
        Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Coder X" <coder@x.com> - 2012-07-10 16:03 -0400
          Re: JESUS IS LORD! "DaveO" <djo@dial.pipex.com> - 2012-07-11 09:47 +0100
          Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-11 13:56 -0300
            Re: JESUS IS LORD! "DaveO" <djo@dial.pipex.com> - 2012-07-12 09:38 +0100
              Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-12 14:18 -0300
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Coder X" <coder@x.com> - 2012-07-12 18:31 -0400
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-13 09:57 +0100
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-13 07:10 -0300
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                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-13 09:20 -0300
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! Deanna Earley <dee.earley@icode.co.uk> - 2012-07-13 13:58 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-13 16:11 +0100
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                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-14 15:27 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-14 11:55 -0300
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                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-20 06:04 -0300
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "DaveO" <djo@dial.pipex.com> - 2012-07-20 10:32 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-20 14:33 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-20 14:44 -0300
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-20 20:28 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-20 16:40 -0300
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-20 21:06 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-20 17:26 -0300
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-20 22:02 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-20 19:49 -0300
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-22 09:53 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-22 09:14 -0300
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! Deanna Earley <dee@earlsoft.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 09:43 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "DaveO" <djo@dial.pipex.com> - 2012-07-23 09:52 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! Jason Keats <jkeats@melbpcDeleteThis.org.au> - 2012-07-23 20:34 +1000
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! Schmidt <sss@online.de> - 2012-07-14 15:27 +0200
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                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Coder X" <coder@x.com> - 2012-07-15 11:26 -0400
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                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! Deanna Earley <dee.earley@icode.co.uk> - 2012-07-16 09:18 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! Deanna Earley <dee@earlsoft.co.uk> - 2012-07-16 08:57 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-16 10:21 -0400
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-18 12:58 -0300
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "DaveO" <djo@dial.pipex.com> - 2012-07-17 09:32 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! Deanna Earley <dee@earlsoft.co.uk> - 2012-07-16 10:18 +0100
                Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Coder X" <coder@x.com> - 2012-07-16 16:44 -0400
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-13 09:53 -0400
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-13 16:24 +0100
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-13 11:54 -0400
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-13 18:11 +0100
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                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-13 20:18 +0100
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-13 13:08 -0300
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-13 12:30 -0400
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-13 15:11 -0300
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-13 20:06 +0100
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-13 16:47 -0300
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-13 15:56 +0100
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-14 05:59 -0300
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-14 12:58 +0100
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-14 10:55 -0300
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                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-14 12:11 -0300
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-14 18:57 +0100
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! Deanna Earley <dee@earlsoft.co.uk> - 2012-07-16 09:23 +0100
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "DaveO" <djo@dial.pipex.com> - 2012-07-17 10:44 +0100
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Coder X" <coder@x.com> - 2012-07-13 13:38 -0400
                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-14 06:02 -0300
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