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Re: JESUS IS LORD!

From	"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.basic.visual.misc
Subject	Re: JESUS IS LORD!
Date	2012-07-14 18:57 +0100
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"Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> wrote in message 
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>>
>> [Mike said] It's still illogical, Eduardo. You've got to be kidding me
>> when you say you cannot see it? Read it one more time. The final
>> sentence is simply NOT something that can be logically deduced
>> from the preceeding sentences.
>
> [Eduardo said] May be because you lack the knowledge of some
> information. I'll amplify the comment.
>
> 1) What God speaks is "the word of God".

Well, I suppose that if you believe God actually exists and that he actually 
said something then it would be logical for you to also say that what God 
speaks is the word of God, in much the same way that you might say what The 
Grim Reaper speaks is the word of the Grim Reaper. It doesn't prove that 
either of those beings exist of course, nor that they said anything, but at 
least the single specific conclusion of "What X speaks is the word of X" is 
itself logical, provided of course that you are first willing to acccept 
that X does exist and that X did say something. Personally I do not accept 
that either God or The Grim Reaper exist. I think that in both cases it is 
extremely unlikely to be true. However, if you wish to believe it yourself 
then you are free to do so.

> 2) God spoke to people that received "the word of God" in the past.
> 3) They wrote it when God told them to write it.

Highly unlikely.

> 4) They copied it many times over the time when the papyruses
>     were getting old.
> 5) At some point it was completely lost or lost in part (because
>     of the destruction from enemies).
> 6) They copied it back again from their memories.

Well, even for someone who accepts the validity of 2 and 3 (which are both 
highly unlikely) then that person must be feeling a bit lost after reading 
4, 5 and 6 which would appear to cast serious doubt on the fidelity of the 
recording. So far, after reading what you have said above, we seem to have a 
being who is highly unlikely to exist saying something to an unspecified 
group of people who wrote it down on some papyruses. Then, when the 
papyruses were getting old either the same group of people, or more likely a 
completely different group of people, copied the texts from the old worn 
originals onto some new papyruses, and this happened many, many times over. 
Then, some time later, either all of it or large chunks of it were lost or 
destroyed by enemies, causing people to copy it back onto new papyruses from 
their memories. You haven't said how long this entire process took, but 
presumably the "copies from memory" were written onto new papyruses by a 
different group of people than the original group who made the original 
copy, so the memories were not actually memories at all but were the result 
of stories that had been passed from one generation to another. This all 
sounds a bit "fuzzy" to me.

> 7) About the phrase "And that's what one can have studying
> the Bible, that is what is important": it is necessary to study
> to get the "word of God", not just to read the Bible.

So even you admit that this bible of yours no longer contains the word of 
God, even if it had done in the first place, which is itself highly 
unlikely, and you admit that it is necessary to study some other unreliable 
and even less tangible things in order to extract bits of this word of God 
from the damaged and incomplete and half remembered snippets of folk lore 
that are currently recorded. That doesn't sound like a very reliable process 
to me. Are you sure that you believe in this God of yours?

> I hope this time I was a bit more clear.

Erm . . . No!

Mike

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                Re: JESUS IS LORD! "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-13 09:53 -0400
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