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Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD!

From	"Eduardo" <mm@mm.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.basic.visual.misc
Subject	Re: [Still OT] Re: JESUS IS LORD!
Date	2012-07-20 19:49 -0300
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"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> escribió en el mensaje 
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> I know in my own mind that He does not exist Eduardo. If you personally 
> believe that He exists then go ahead and provide some proof. I still would 
> not necessarily like Him of course, even if you did manage to prove that 
> He exists, but at least we would be on some sort of common ground if you 
> managed to succeed. Then we could discuss whether He actually deserves 
> this unadulterated adoration that you personally attempt to provide Him 
> witf and that, according to you, he demands from His followers.

If you are going to argue something, the least that I can ask is for you to 
read what I said in previous messages.

>    "No idea Eduardo. It is not my God and I do not believe that He exists.
>     If you want to prove His existence then go ahead. You cannot 
> legitimately
>     ask someone to prove that there is NO needle in a haystack, but if you
>     believe that there is such a needle then the task is very much easier. 
> Over
>     to you, Eduardo".

You are so biased or dishonest that you always change the sense of what we 
were talking.

I didn't ask you to prove that he doesn't exist, but to tell me what thing, 
as you were the one asking me for a proof, would constitute a proof for you.
You couldn't answer that simple question.

You ask for "something" but you can't specify what, very sound!

> Your response is typical of "believers in God" of course, because they 
> cannot prove that their God exists,

Can you prove that Microsoft exists? How?

> mostly on the grounds that he actually does NOT exist,

Just a statement. Repeating something many times doesn't make it more true.
On the contrary, the people often need to repeat and repeat something 
because it is not true (anyway it doesn't constitute a garantee that 
something that was repeated too much must neccesarily be not true). But it's 
suspicious, when someone repeats too much something, it's often an 
indicative that he isn't quite sure about that.
It's in any case your problem, but it makes the chat difficult.

On the other hand, I don't like to repeat the things too much.

And the NOT with capitals, and the times that you repeat that, makes make 
think that you are really emotionally motivated about it.
Why could be that you are so emotionally motivated to think that he doesn't 
exists, is unknown to me. But in any case, it's your "problem".

> and so they always ask "non believers" to prove that he does not. We are 
> back to the "needle in a haystack" thing, Eduardo.

Well, it's as valid, or even more valid than to prove that he exists.
If you assure that he doesn't exists, I suspect that you must have some kind 
of proof.

The proof that I have that he exists, is valid for me.
Repeatable? Yes, if you do something like what I did.

> I do not want you to prove that your God does not exist, Eduardo.

Fine. I don't ask that either.

> Personally I do not give a shit whether He exists or not, and even if He 
> does exist then it does not mean that I would like Him, or that I would 
> lay myself down in front of Him and give Him the adoration that you 
> religious people believe He wants.

I have no problem, do whatever you want.

But you should not be wasting time reading these messages then.
And it's not just your time, it's also other ones time.

> Come on, Eduardo. Just admit that your God does not exist.

I won't lie.

> If you think He does exist, then show me the proof. Otherwise,

How can I do that if you don't follow what I say in one or two messages?

Anyway, why should I spend my time for something that you "do not give a 
shit"?
I have a lot of things to do. I write these messages because I _do_ give a 
shit. But if you don't, why should I still spend time on this?

> if you admit defeat, then just let this thread go, and I will do the same.

You are insane! Do you think it is a game?
defeat... LOL!

Let's put the things clear:

I speak about these things mainly for two reasons:
1) To help someone.
2) Because I want to proclaim the true God, that is unknown to most of the 
people.

Both are very related. The 2) can be explained as when someone buy a new 
car, and he is comfortable with it, and talks to everyone about his new car 
and its benefits. It's a sort of propaganda mouth to mouth, because you 
experienced the benefits and wants other people to know about it.
1) It is when someone is looking for, seeking for responses. It's like the 
VB newsgroup, someone has a difficulty, some puzzle, and wants someone with 
more knowledge on the subject to help him to figure that puzzle or problem, 
or to clarify doubts. To answer VB questions it's something that you do 
freely, not because you are obligated, it's just to help the other.
But... the one answering questions wants that the one asking them to have 
some interest in solving the "puzzle". Other cases are the trolls, that 
could be putting a message that VB6 has some problem, just to annoy VB6 
people and to promote .NET, not because they are looking for a solution or 
an answer. Why someone should spend time explaining things to such people?

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