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Re: Splitting The Web

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Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:

> immibis <news@immibis.com> writes:
>
>> On 12/24/23 14:19, IanJ wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I don't see that it is possible to split the web, the whole
>>> idea behind it is that you can seemlessly navigate between sites, so even
>>> with the best efforts and intentions, you don't really know what kind of
>>> site that next link click will take you to.
>> 
>> Most commercial websites - by which I mean websites whose commerce *is* 
>> the website, not just websites for companies - already block themselves 
>> off from the free web, trying to make you pay to get in.
>
> My personal gripe is that while web sites providing useful information
> tend to have readable, well-connected text, those that actually want
> to sell you something -- anything from books to industrial compressors
> -- are burdened with arcane javascript and connective and/or
> interavtive complexity that often defeats my browser.
>
> In particular, I'm totally pissed off with Coles/Indigo/Chapters.
> After their major system crash of a some months ago, they will no
> longer let you come to a store in person and order a book.  A store
> clerk will, if prodded, look a book up on their computer a sell you a
> cash-card/receipt the ID number of which you an the use to pay for
> your book that you must then order on line.  They assure you that you
> can opt to have the book delivered to your local store for pick-up if
> you like.
>
> To add insult to this stupidity, their on-line system is clever
> enough to deduce you location from your IP address and offer stores in
> your area as delivery destinations.  Only their cleverness is borken;
> it deduces that because the corporate address of my ISP is in
> Montreal, they will only offer to deliver to their stores in the
> Montreal area.  I happen to be ca. 1,000 miles east of Montreal but
> their web site seems to not offer any way for me to tell them that.
>
> Looks to me as if they've signed a death warrant for their bricks &
> mortar stores, working from the notion that spending $BIGNUM on
> re-implementing their crashed in-store network and ordering system is
> way too much to service people such as I who read a lot, actually buy
> hard-cover books and prefer the process of buying from humans in a
> real, non-virtual place.
>
>> And people who use the free web probably don't get much value from them, 
>> either.
>> 
>> It won't be a complete split, but a network with two clusters.
>
>
> [ groups trimmed to comp.misc, comp.infosystems.www.misc ]
I gave up on Indigo/Chapters a long time ago. I've had too many issues
with them.

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Re: Splitting The Web immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2023-12-23 11:47 +0100
  Re: Splitting The Web cr0c0d1le <nospam@nospam.org> - 2023-12-23 08:18 -0500
    Re: Splitting The Web D <nospam@example.net> - 2023-12-23 14:33 +0100
      Re: Splitting The Web Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-12-24 01:30 +0300
        Re: Splitting The Web Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de> - 2023-12-24 11:38 +0100
          Re: Splitting The Web D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-01-03 17:18 +0100
            Re: Splitting The Web Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de> - 2024-01-03 17:43 +0100
              Re: Splitting The Web Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-01-03 16:56 +0000
                Re: Splitting The Web immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-01-06 21:25 +0100
              Re: Splitting The Web D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-01-03 23:03 +0100
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          Re: Splitting The Web cr0c0d1le <cr0c0d1le.ewlkg@8shield.net> - 2024-01-03 11:19 -0500
            Re: Splitting The Web D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-01-03 23:02 +0100
    Re: Splitting The Web not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-12-24 07:45 +1000
  Re: Splitting The Web IanJ <SPAMian_jones_01@yahoo.co.uk> - 2023-12-24 13:19 +0000
    Re: Splitting The Web oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2023-12-26 20:34 +0000
    Re: Splitting The Web cr0c0d1le <nospam@nospam.org> - 2023-12-26 18:53 -0500
    Re: Splitting The Web immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2023-12-27 19:08 +0100
      Re: Splitting The Web Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2023-12-27 18:54 -0400
        Re: Splitting The Web cr0c0d1le <cr0c0d1le@cogeco.ca> - 2023-12-27 22:00 -0500
          Re: Splitting The Web Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2023-12-28 04:06 -0400
    Re: Splitting The Web D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-01-03 17:21 +0100
      Re: Splitting The Web Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de> - 2024-01-03 17:51 +0100
        Re: Splitting The Web D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-01-03 23:05 +0100
      Re: Splitting The Web IanJ <SPAMian_jones_01@yahoo.co.uk> - 2024-01-03 17:38 +0000
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