Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: cr0c0d1le Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.infosystems.www.misc Subject: Re: Splitting The Web Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 22:00:53 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <87o7ebghei.fsf@neptune> References: <87wmszz26h.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7636370abee903ae1e919dba8218d091"; logging-data="278459"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/0jSza0eVPv4LPBL6848mqb1GdTU5+vgY=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hJMaqwPAs1Id/XaPQgQKEax5AKY= sha1:zmvdUfUdk7KUc/VXlfZrxkPRax8= Xref: csiph.com comp.misc:23717 comp.infosystems.www.misc:239 Mike Spencer writes: > immibis writes: > >> On 12/24/23 14:19, IanJ wrote: >> >>> Personally I don't see that it is possible to split the web, the whole >>> idea behind it is that you can seemlessly navigate between sites, so even >>> with the best efforts and intentions, you don't really know what kind of >>> site that next link click will take you to. >> >> Most commercial websites - by which I mean websites whose commerce *is* >> the website, not just websites for companies - already block themselves >> off from the free web, trying to make you pay to get in. > > My personal gripe is that while web sites providing useful information > tend to have readable, well-connected text, those that actually want > to sell you something -- anything from books to industrial compressors > -- are burdened with arcane javascript and connective and/or > interavtive complexity that often defeats my browser. > > In particular, I'm totally pissed off with Coles/Indigo/Chapters. > After their major system crash of a some months ago, they will no > longer let you come to a store in person and order a book. A store > clerk will, if prodded, look a book up on their computer a sell you a > cash-card/receipt the ID number of which you an the use to pay for > your book that you must then order on line. They assure you that you > can opt to have the book delivered to your local store for pick-up if > you like. > > To add insult to this stupidity, their on-line system is clever > enough to deduce you location from your IP address and offer stores in > your area as delivery destinations. Only their cleverness is borken; > it deduces that because the corporate address of my ISP is in > Montreal, they will only offer to deliver to their stores in the > Montreal area. I happen to be ca. 1,000 miles east of Montreal but > their web site seems to not offer any way for me to tell them that. > > Looks to me as if they've signed a death warrant for their bricks & > mortar stores, working from the notion that spending $BIGNUM on > re-implementing their crashed in-store network and ordering system is > way too much to service people such as I who read a lot, actually buy > hard-cover books and prefer the process of buying from humans in a > real, non-virtual place. > >> And people who use the free web probably don't get much value from them, >> either. >> >> It won't be a complete split, but a network with two clusters. > > > [ groups trimmed to comp.misc, comp.infosystems.www.misc ] I gave up on Indigo/Chapters a long time ago. I've had too many issues with them.