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Re: Is PostgreSQL good?

From	Don Y <nowhere@here.com>
Newsgroups	comp.databases.postgresql
Subject	Re: Is PostgreSQL good?
Date	2011-07-01 11:57 -0700
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Hi Mladen,

On 6/30/2011 3:42 PM, Mladen Gogala wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:21:17 -0700, Don Y wrote:
>
>> Gee, someone expresses an interest in understanding why you have such a
>> hard-on regarding "hints" and you dismiss it as "irrelevant".
>
> What I consider  irrelevant is the analogy with the C language.
> Furthermore, this debate is, at least in my humble opinion, relevant to
> DBA's, project managers and people who will write SQL against a Postgres
> database. I haven't envisioned this debate as a talk show with the
> viewers taking sides, Oprah already covers that market.

Again, you *presume* to understand my reason for participating.
I'm curious as to whether you are using a Ouija Board or a
Crystal Ball to get your information...?

Regardless, what makes "The Participants'" opinions more valuable
than the Viewers'?  *Unlike* Oprah, the Viewers aren't prevented
from *being* Participants -- now, or at some future date!

> As far as me having hard-on for hints, I needed them in one of my
> projects. Hints are a welcome option, offered by virtually all other RDBMS
> systems, yet there seems to be a problem with the designers of Postgres.
> I have yet to see a logical argument against providing that option and
> analogies with the C programming language don't seem to provide it,
> either. So, those analogies are irrelevant, at least in my point of view.
> You don't seem to be a database professional either, I am quite confused
> by the zeal with which you're trying to participate in this debate. Once
> again, this debate is about a specific feature of Postgres, or the lack
> of it.

How do you define a "database professional"?  Someone who is paid to
perform the duties of a DBA?  Someone who went to school to be a
DBA?  Someone who *calls* himself a DBA?

I am *acting* as a DBA on two projects currently.  I suspect I
will represent a greater "user base" than most folks here.  And,
probably, be responsible for more "managed data" than the typical
"viewer/participant".

I suspect I am using the DBMS in ways that most viewers/participants
here have never even considered ("Huh?  You can't do *that*...").
Do I want to make a career out of this?  Nope.  There are many
more interesting application domains to explore... this is just a
tool to facilitate work in a few of them!

Will the code I write and the tables I build stand up to "expert
scrutiny"?  Probably no more than *your* C code would stand up
to my scrutiny!  Yet, it will run as intended within the constraints
of the projects.

More to the point, I suspect I will represent more of a (financial)
contribution to the PostgreSQL project than, at the very least, *you*.
So, it behooves me to understand what I might like to put on my wish
list to *underwrite* (as you appear to have deep pockets -- but short
arms!).

Show me the courtesy of letting me make my own informed decisions
as any other participant/viewer here -- instead of arbitrarily
and unilaterally deciding on the criteria for "admission to the
debate".  I'm sorry if I have to bother you by *asking* questions
instead of just being "infused" with the right answer/opinion.
Unfortunately, I have neither a Ouija Board *nor* a Crystal Ball
to rely upon!

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