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| Started by | Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2024-09-06 22:27 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-11-13 07:24 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 908 — 33 participants |
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Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-06 22:27 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-07 14:41 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-07 23:22 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-08 18:06 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 23:59 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 02:00 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 10:58 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 16:07 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-11 09:54 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2024-09-11 08:48 -0700
Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-11 21:32 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-11 23:37 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-12 16:46 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 15:28 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-12 20:46 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2024-09-13 11:08 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-13 17:09 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-11 18:44 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-11 21:30 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-11 21:28 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-12 05:37 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 03:21 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 06:21 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-11 21:27 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-15 03:13 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-16 01:45 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 16:03 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 20:38 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 04:13 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-26 14:11 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 08:58 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 00:04 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-10-04 06:19 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 11:54 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-10-05 09:43 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-09 06:44 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-09 14:43 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-09 16:19 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-09 15:37 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 14:10 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 05:38 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-12 18:50 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 15:14 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 18:20 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-12 23:28 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - ATOM Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-13 02:46 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - ATOM mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-13 18:19 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 20:36 -0500
Page fetching cache controller Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-31 05:18 -0400
Re: Page fetching cache controller mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-31 19:11 +0000
Re: Q+ Fibonacci Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-11-05 23:30 -0500
Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 23:42 -0400
Re: register sets Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:26 -0700
Re: register sets scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-17 13:35 +0000
Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 14:24 -0400
Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-17 18:26 +0000
Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 21:56 -0400
Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-18 17:12 +0000
Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 02:44 -0400
Re: auto predicating branches Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 21:26 -0400
Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-21 06:05 +0000
Is an instruction on the critical path? (was: auto predicating branches) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-21 13:39 +0000
Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-21 17:29 +0000
Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-22 05:10 +0000
Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-22 11:23 -0400
Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-22 17:31 +0000
Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-22 22:32 +0000
Re: auto predicating branches Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-04-22 22:59 -0400
Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-23 18:09 +0000
Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-24 10:10 -0400
Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-25 20:51 +0000
Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-24 09:47 -0400
Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-23 17:44 +0000
Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-23 21:34 +0000
Re: asynch register rename Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 23:31 -0400
Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:36 -0400
Re: fractional PCs mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-27 20:53 +0000
Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 22:32 -0400
Re: fractional PCs EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-28 10:06 -0400
Re: fractional PCs EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-28 10:50 -0400
Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 22:35 -0400
Re: fractional PCs mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-29 21:39 +0000
Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 01:21 -0400
Re: fractional PCs Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-04-30 18:09 +0000
Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 19:00 -0400
Re: fractional PCs EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-05-02 11:18 -0400
Re: fractional PCs moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-02 17:03 +0100
Re: fractional PCs EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-05-02 13:22 -0400
Re: fractional PCs moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-02 20:01 +0100
Re: millicode, extracode, fractional PCs John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-02 17:26 +0000
Re: millicode, extracode, fractional PCs moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-02 20:00 +0100
Re: fractional PCs mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-30 19:04 +0000
Re: fractional PCs mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-28 22:02 +0000
Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 22:00 -0400
Re: control co-processor Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 00:40 -0400
Re: control co-processor Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-05 03:01 -0700
Re: control co-processor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 13:46 +0000
Re: control co-processor Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-05 10:02 -0400
Re: control co-processor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 16:19 +0000
Scan chains (was: control co-processor) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-06 23:12 -0400
Re: Scan chains (was: control co-processor) Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-06 21:08 -0700
Re: Scan chains Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-07 10:58 -0400
Re: Scan chains mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-07 16:57 +0000
Re: Scan chains Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-07 15:03 -0400
Re: Scan chains mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-08 01:04 +0000
Re: Scan chains mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-15 17:21 +0000
Re: control co-processor mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-06 22:17 +0000
Re: control co-processor EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-05-06 19:58 -0400
Re: control co-processor mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-07 16:44 +0000
Re: control co-processor mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-15 17:09 +0000
Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-25 13:19 -0400
Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-24 08:54 -0400
Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-22 16:45 +0000
Re: register sets John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-15 04:56 +0000
Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-15 17:16 +0000
Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-07-19 08:18 -0400
Re: register sets anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-19 16:37 +0000
Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-19 20:02 +0000
Re: register sets John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-15 04:49 +0000
Re: register sets scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-07-15 14:10 +0000
Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-15 17:14 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2024-10-15 09:49 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-10-13 16:43 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 12:28 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-05 23:02 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 23:52 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-10-29 00:14 -0700
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:41 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:04 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-29 17:44 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:29 -0700
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-29 22:31 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:10 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 12:29 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-30 16:46 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-30 23:39 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-30 22:19 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-31 00:57 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 13:21 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 14:32 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 02:21 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 10:06 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 14:58 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 16:56 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 17:21 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-10-31 21:12 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:00 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-01 19:18 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 04:29 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-10-29 13:05 -0700
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:52 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:58 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:26 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:48 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-29 18:15 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:02 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:01 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-30 07:13 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 13:53 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-30 17:58 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:06 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:33 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:20 -0400
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:09 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-10-31 21:09 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-01 18:19 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-01 21:08 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-02 11:36 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-02 15:56 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-02 16:09 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-02 18:14 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-02 20:19 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-03 15:22 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 11:53 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-03 23:04 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-04 15:19 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-04 17:41 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-04 17:12 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 20:16 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-04 07:47 -0800
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 16:52 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-04 18:54 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 20:13 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-04 21:07 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 22:52 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-05 11:18 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-05 15:42 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-04 22:51 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 23:43 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-05 07:13 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 09:25 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:53 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-06 17:44 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-05 11:21 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 10:15 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:06 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-06 11:24 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-06 13:11 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 14:28 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:57 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 20:23 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 22:18 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - PI as decimal float Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 00:34 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - PI as decimal float BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 01:30 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-08 11:28 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 17:22 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-10 02:12 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 03:40 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-10 06:30 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-10 08:16 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 13:54 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-11 00:08 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 21:25 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-11 12:02 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 04:44 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-11 14:03 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 21:34 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-12 11:47 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 09:24 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-13 12:18 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 18:09 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-13 20:40 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 21:50 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-13 22:13 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-01-26 20:00 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-28 02:10 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-01 17:51 +0100
Re: Interruptible instructions, was Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-28 04:47 +0000
Re: Interruptible instructions, was Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-01-28 07:34 -0800
Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-01-28 15:34 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 22:31 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-05 19:02 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 14:35 -0800
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-08 18:22 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-09 19:33 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 21:18 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 15:51 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-10 17:53 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-02-10 14:13 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-11 15:05 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-02-12 10:27 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-06 15:54 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-16 20:05 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-19 08:02 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 05:53 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-19 19:59 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 17:04 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-20 15:14 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-19 23:10 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-20 00:06 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-02-19 22:35 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-21 18:41 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-21 20:38 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-22 13:37 +0000
Re: IA64 and VLIW, Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-22 03:00 +0000
Re: IA64 and VLIW, Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-22 09:16 +0000
Re: IA64 and VLIW, Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-22 19:20 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-02-22 11:51 -0500
Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-22 20:14 +0000
Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-22 23:08 +0000
Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-23 01:32 +0000
Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-23 06:55 +0000
Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-23 21:22 +0000
Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-24 10:41 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2026-03-01 21:12 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-03 11:22 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-03-03 20:19 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 15:29 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-20 23:49 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 01:00 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-21 20:15 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 14:59 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-21 22:56 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 17:32 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-22 21:52 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 14:54 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-27 19:27 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-02-27 19:57 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-27 16:14 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-27 17:01 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-28 16:57 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-02-28 17:36 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-01 12:18 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-01 19:19 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-01 20:24 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-03-01 07:55 -0800
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-28 16:41 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 05:38 -0500
IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-21 16:18 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-21 20:28 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-22 13:17 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-22 17:05 +0200
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-23 08:06 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-23 13:03 +0200
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-24 10:46 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-24 12:30 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-24 18:26 +0200
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-25 08:17 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-23 13:44 +0200
large binary array searches (was: IA-64) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-24 09:50 +0000
Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-24 17:23 +0200
Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-24 17:30 +0000
Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-24 22:22 +0200
Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-25 15:07 +0200
Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-25 18:32 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-23 21:33 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-02-23 10:14 -0800
Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-24 11:25 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-02-24 07:51 -0800
Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-25 07:33 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-02-26 09:08 -0800
Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-27 09:52 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-02-28 10:08 -0800
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-01 21:13 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-03 09:15 -0800
Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-03 17:37 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-03 09:53 -0800
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-03 19:01 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-03 11:35 -0800
Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-03 21:55 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-04 07:44 -0800
Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-04 15:57 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-04 20:06 +0200
Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-04 20:15 +0000
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 14:06 -0600
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-07 01:49 +0000
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 15:03 -0600
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 00:28 +0200
Re: Page size in root pointer Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 05:16 -0400
Re: Page size in root pointer MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 20:54 +0000
Re: Page size in root pointer BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 16:37 -0500
Re: Page size in root pointer Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-09 04:50 +0000
Re: Page size in root pointer Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 03:01 -0400
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-08 12:13 +0100
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 13:37 +0200
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-08 15:10 +0100
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 18:30 +0200
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-08 19:39 +0100
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 21:03 +0200
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-08 18:59 +0000
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 14:34 -0500
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-15 16:09 +0000
Re: IA-64 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-17 01:11 +0000
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-17 21:39 +0000
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 21:57 +0000
Re: IA-64 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-17 23:27 +0000
Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-17 20:38 -0400
Re: IA-64 Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 21:00 -0400
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-18 15:56 +0000
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-18 17:30 +0100
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 15:51 -0500
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-18 21:41 +0000
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-18 21:49 +0000
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:20 +0000
Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-17 15:48 -0400
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 21:51 +0000
Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-17 18:06 -0400
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 15:14 -0500
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-19 22:14 +0000
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 04:49 -0500
Re: IA-64 Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2026-03-20 14:03 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-20 17:04 +0200
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-20 16:26 +0100
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-20 17:31 +0200
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-20 18:56 +0100
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-20 16:20 +0100
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 14:39 -0500
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-21 15:20 +0100
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 13:31 -0500
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 13:47 -0500
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-22 13:05 +0100
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-20 19:35 +0000
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 15:09 -0500
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-21 15:35 +0100
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-21 23:51 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-22 02:48 +0200
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-22 13:20 +0100
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-22 15:34 +0000
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-22 16:59 +0100
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-22 13:10 +0100
Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-22 16:34 +0000
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-23 11:14 +0100
Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-20 21:19 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-21 18:52 +0200
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-21 18:44 +0100
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-22 00:54 +0200
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 21:08 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-08 10:56 -0400
Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-08 12:53 -0400
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-08 19:43 +0100
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 21:18 +0000
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 17:06 -0500
Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-08 17:18 -0400
multi-bit per cell RAM (was: IA-64) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-09 08:04 +0000
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 14:19 -0500
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-04 18:51 +0000
Re: IA-64 Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2026-03-05 12:57 +0000
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-27 18:55 +0000
Re: IA-64 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-02-28 21:49 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-02 17:12 -0800
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-03 02:34 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-04 09:22 -0500
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-04 07:19 -0800
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-04 19:03 +0100
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-04 20:25 +0200
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-04 19:38 +0100
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-04 21:17 +0200
Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-04 11:49 -0800
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-07 23:48 +0200
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-07 13:21 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-07 19:03 +0200
Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-08 08:27 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 13:15 +0200
Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-08 12:36 +0000
Re: IA-64 kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2026-03-04 21:07 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-04 23:35 +0200
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-04 23:46 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-05 12:07 +0200
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-05 17:49 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-05 12:22 +0200
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-07 13:29 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-07 19:19 +0200
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-07 19:07 +0000
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-07 21:21 +0200
Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-05 11:07 -0500
Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-05 14:47 -0500
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-06 20:08 +0000
Re: IA-64 Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-03-05 08:36 -0800
Re: IA-64 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-05 12:02 -0500
Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-05 17:14 +0000
Re: IA-64 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-05 14:18 -0500
Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-05 19:41 +0200
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-05 18:10 +0000
Re: IA-64 kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2026-03-06 19:52 +0000
Re: IA-64 Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-03-07 15:53 -0800
Re: IA-64 Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-03-06 11:34 -0800
Re: IA-64 George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-03-07 16:03 -0500
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-09 22:42 +0100
Re: IA-64 Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-12 21:07 -0700
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-14 16:27 +0100
Re: GPU books? Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 01:07 -0400
Re: GPU books? EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-16 12:06 -0400
Re: GPU books? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 12:34 -0700
Re: GPU books? MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 17:57 +0000
Re: IA-64 Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-15 14:14 -0700
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-16 15:35 +0100
Re: IA-64 Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-18 01:01 -0700
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-18 17:38 +0100
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-18 20:28 +0100
Re: IA-64 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 21:05 -0700
Re: IA-64 Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-23 21:01 -0700
Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-24 09:24 +0100
Re: IA-64 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-05 02:54 +0000
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 14:54 -0600
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-27 19:04 +0000
Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-27 19:31 +0000
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-28 16:48 +0100
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 05:39 -0600
Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-01 19:02 +0100
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 18:05 -0600
Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-02 02:03 +0000
Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 04:24 -0600
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-03-08 17:53 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 21:15 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 16:43 -0500
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-09 13:14 -0400
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-09 19:30 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-10 13:04 -0400
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-10 18:28 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-11 12:14 -0400
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-11 21:37 +0000
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-12 10:56 -0400
Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-12 18:15 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 23:51 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-28 19:19 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-29 07:13 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-01-29 12:30 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-01-29 12:30 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-01 18:01 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-14 14:18 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-14 22:32 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-13 14:34 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 21:58 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-14 00:43 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-13 19:17 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-14 03:59 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-19 12:53 -0600
Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-14 07:18 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:48 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-14 22:38 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-15 01:22 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-15 01:28 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-16 14:45 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-15 15:36 +0100
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-15 18:04 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-16 14:34 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-16 18:41 +0000
Multi-precision multiplication (was: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-15 18:01 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-14 15:00 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-15 10:46 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-15 07:48 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-15 18:07 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-16 08:22 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-16 18:36 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 02:49 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-17 08:33 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 08:17 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-17 17:36 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:54 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-17 20:58 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-17 23:35 +0200
SPARC and register renaming (was: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-18 15:16 +0000
Re: SPARC and register renaming Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-16 17:24 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-18 08:58 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:45 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 16:58 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:41 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-18 13:22 -0600
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-18 13:15 -0600
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-18 19:28 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-18 22:25 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-20 07:33 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-25 00:40 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-26 07:53 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-26 12:17 +0200
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-26 18:08 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 21:00 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-18 20:26 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-19 01:47 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-19 07:47 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-20 08:05 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-23 16:32 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-23 16:51 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-23 17:25 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-23 20:46 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-23 22:40 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-28 20:39 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-28 23:06 +0000
Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 09:29 -0500
Re: Interrupt enable down-count Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-29 07:37 -0800
Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 13:28 -0500
Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 19:23 +0000
Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 19:05 +0000
Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 15:42 -0500
Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 22:17 +0000
Re: Interrupt enable down-count EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-29 16:10 -0500
Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 22:26 +0000
Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 17:45 -0500
Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 23:14 +0000
Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-30 02:17 -0500
Re: Interrupt enable down-count Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-30 10:10 +0000
Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-30 06:29 -0500
Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-30 06:41 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-29 23:37 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 14:14 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-30 15:47 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 16:39 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-30 18:59 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 22:11 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 00:40 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-06 07:26 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 05:13 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 17:31 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 17:29 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 18:33 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 18:55 -0500
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-07 03:29 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-24 18:03 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 15:18 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:33 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-30 22:38 +0200
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 22:17 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-01 00:12 +0000
Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-01 07:56 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-01 13:23 +0200
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2025-12-04 16:54 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-04 18:37 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-05 11:10 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-05 14:37 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-05 18:29 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-12-15 12:30 -0500
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-05 17:57 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-05 20:10 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-05 20:54 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 14:55 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 17:22 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 15:09 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-06 14:42 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 17:44 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-08 10:07 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 20:20 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 15:17 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-08 10:12 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 04:32 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 20:06 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-08 20:15 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:58 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:37 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:39 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:39 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-13 09:31 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-13 19:12 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 11:46 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-13 21:58 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:47 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-06 17:16 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 18:07 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-06 19:04 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-06 21:36 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 16:08 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 21:44 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 16:13 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 07:25 -0500
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:23 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-08 17:14 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 20:35 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 16:31 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 15:56 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-13 19:03 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 11:49 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-13 22:03 +0000
Re: double alias register renaming Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-14 05:13 -0500
Re: double alias register renaming MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-16 20:43 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 13:52 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-09 09:13 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:15 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-09 20:51 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-09 21:28 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-10 10:07 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-12-10 08:51 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-10 20:10 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-11 10:05 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:26 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-11 20:47 +0000
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 01:41 +0000
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 18:27 -0800
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 02:48 +0000
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-12 19:17 +0000
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-12 21:02 +0000
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-12 22:05 +0000
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:19 -0800
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:22 -0800
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-12 08:14 +0000
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-12 13:05 +0000
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-12 15:28 +0100
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-12 16:25 +0000
Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-12 21:12 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-11 23:51 +0200
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-12 08:59 +0100
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 15:02 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 15:03 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 15:00 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-12-09 13:55 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-09 22:52 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 20:30 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-07 09:30 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-07 16:05 +0200
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-07 16:55 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 16:28 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-12-07 12:19 -0500
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 15:52 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 16:36 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 15:03 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 14:51 -0800
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-07 17:48 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-12-01 14:07 -0500
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-01 23:03 +0000
Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-01 22:50 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-02 07:10 -0500
Re: Unaligned Memory Access anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-02 18:50 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-02 19:55 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-02 21:20 -0500
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-16 18:04 -0500
Re: Hardware hardware interrupt Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 01:04 -0500
Re: Unaligned Memory Access quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-03-09 03:36 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-09 11:05 -0400
Re: Unaligned Memory Access John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-10 06:07 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 17:20 -0700
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-13 07:10 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-13 16:14 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-14 14:03 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-14 19:35 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-14 16:30 +0100
Re: Unaligned Memory Access BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 23:02 -0500
Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-19 22:20 +0000
Re: Float multiplies Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 16:58 -0400
Re: Float multiplies MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-22 16:46 +0000
Re: Float multiplies Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 01:31 -0400
Re: Float multiplies BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 04:44 -0500
Re: Unaligned Memory Access anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-14 16:08 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-15 14:12 +0100
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-15 17:36 +0200
Unaligned stores (was: Unaligned Memory Access) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-15 17:30 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-16 15:09 +0100
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-16 18:01 +0200
Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 17:55 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 16:41 -0500
Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-11 00:18 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-11 16:40 +0100
Re: Unaligned Memory Access "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 12:40 -0700
Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-11 21:40 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-11 21:44 +0000
Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-14 16:23 +0100
Re: Unaligned Memory Access "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 12:38 -0700
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:16 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:15 +0000
Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-20 07:55 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-14 15:57 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-14 14:39 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-13 19:04 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-21 15:31 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 13:36 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 22:09 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-22 04:54 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-22 12:45 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-22 14:29 -0600
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-22 18:50 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-16 19:47 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-16 17:51 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-17 12:02 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - write port history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-18 21:33 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 08:50 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-03 19:03 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 01:41 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:30 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 09:39 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-03 18:47 +0000
branch splitting (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-04 07:50 +0000
Re: branch splitting (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:15 +0000
Re: branch splitting Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 22:44 +0100
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 00:44 +0000
Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 01:00 -0600
Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 01:38 -0600
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:43 +0000
Re: branch splitting Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-08 10:24 -0500
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-09 19:20 +0000
Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-04-05 06:49 +0000
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-04-05 20:35 +0000
Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-04-06 05:11 +0000
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-04-06 16:24 +0000
Re: round mode register Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 22:53 -0400
Re: branch splitting Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-16 16:14 -0500
Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 14:45 -0600
Re: branch splitting Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 17:17 -0500
Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 17:40 -0600
Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-04 15:46 -0800
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 02:51 +0000
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-05 05:17 +0000
Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-05 06:44 +0000
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-05 06:55 +0000
Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-05 10:49 -0500
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 18:14 +0000
Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-06 20:04 +0000
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 10:32 +0000
Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-06 16:24 -0500
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 22:53 +0000
Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-06 20:10 -0500
Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-05 18:03 +0000
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 18:17 +0000
Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-06 20:07 +0000
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 20:24 +0000
Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-07 06:55 +0000
Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-04 22:53 -0800
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 08:46 +0000
Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:37 +0200
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 08:08 +0000
Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-06 07:57 -0800
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 10:09 +0000
Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-07 08:26 -0800
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 17:15 +0000
Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-07 10:45 -0800
Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-08 10:31 -0500
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-08 18:13 +0000
Re: branch splitting Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-08 21:47 +0200
Re: branch splitting scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-09 17:06 +0000
Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-09 20:00 +0000
Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-09 21:14 +0000
Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-10 07:46 +0000
Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-10 14:52 +0000
Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-10 18:53 +0000
Re: branch splitting Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-10 08:27 +0100
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-08 18:25 +0000
Re: branch splitting Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-08 20:56 +0200
Re: jumping around, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-08 21:08 +0000
Re: jumping around, branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-09 13:01 -0500
Re: jumping around, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-09 20:18 +0000
Re: jumping around, branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-09 21:11 +0000
Re: jumping around, branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-11 19:58 +0200
Re: jumping around, branch splitting scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-11 18:48 +0000
Re: indirect chains, jumping around, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-11 21:10 +0000
Re: indirect chains, jumping around, branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-11 16:06 -0800
Re: branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-08 21:07 +0000
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 18:45 +0000
Re: label variables, was branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-06 22:09 +0000
Re: label variables, was branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 15:26 +0000
Re: label variables, was branch splitting Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-11-07 17:54 +0000
Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-08 10:02 +0000
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-08 18:04 +0000
Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-08 19:32 +0000
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-08 18:37 +0000
Re: goto, was branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-08 21:14 +0000
Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 02:01 -0600
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:04 +0000
Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-05 17:26 +0200
Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 10:23 -0600
Re: branch splitting scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-05 17:22 +0000
Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:30 +0200
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:28 +0000
Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-06 00:45 +0200
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 18:28 +0000
Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-11 18:50 +0200
Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-11 14:23 -0500
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-11 20:44 +0000
Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-11 21:16 -0500
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 08:42 +0000
Re: branch splitting Bernd Linsel <bl1-thispartdoesnotbelonghere@gmx.com> - 2025-11-13 19:32 +0100
Re: branch splitting antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-13 01:35 +0000
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 09:45 +0000
Re: branch splitting antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-13 17:35 +0000
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-11 19:46 +0000
Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-11 15:55 -0800
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-12 00:31 +0000
Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-11 17:18 -0800
Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-12 21:56 +0200
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:25 +0000
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 22:21 +0000
Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:24 +0000
Re: branch splitting Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-06 11:43 +0200
Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:11 +0200
Re: branch splitting Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-06 13:14 +0200
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 08:06 +0000
Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 17:52 +0000
Re: branch splitting Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-05 15:27 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 01:47 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 02:06 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:52 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 20:41 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-07 21:49 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-09 19:09 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-03 19:13 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 09:56 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:21 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 21:49 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 18:36 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-05 19:20 -0800
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-08 14:11 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-08 18:08 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-06 19:38 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:14 -0800
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-07 17:29 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-09 14:54 -0800
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-10 02:00 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:03 -0800
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 21:59 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2025-11-12 06:20 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-12 08:01 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-12 19:22 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff / Fusing branch ops Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-06 07:44 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Cache-line constants Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 22:30 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 21:56 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-11 19:30 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 21:42 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-23 03:20 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-22 23:16 -0500
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Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-23 07:04 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:13 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-23 23:58 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-24 20:00 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:08 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 20:57 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-26 22:16 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 17:20 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-26 22:29 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 23:53 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 23:46 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-28 07:21 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:05 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-28 06:45 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 18:19 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-27 00:08 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-27 00:36 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:35 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-11-27 00:44 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-26 22:26 +0100
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 21:58 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2025-11-27 15:50 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-27 19:16 +0200
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-28 07:17 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 02:59 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-28 12:56 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:41 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:09 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:49 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2025-11-29 15:48 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-29 19:11 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-29 15:08 -0500
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 22:07 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-11 21:18 +0000
Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 21:46 -0500
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Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:27 +0000
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2026-03-22 15:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <10pp26n$3d54r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #115498 |
Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> schrieb: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 23:51:23 -0000 (UTC) > Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > >> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> schrieb: >> >> > The more >> > current you have flowing, the less susceptible you are to many >> > types of noise. That's why 4-20mA current loops are used for >> > transmitting analogue signals over long distances, rather than >> > voltage-defined signalling. >> >> When I first heard about 4-20 mA, it was explained to me quite well: >> Imagine running a 0-10 V signalling line through the generator >> hall of a large power plant. >> >> STRONG magnetic fields, lots of induction (even if you twist >> the wires, you can never be sure). >> >> Plus, if you drop to 0 mA, you know that something is broken, >> which you do not know if your voltage drops to zero. >> > > At the end of the day, voltage-based standards are dominant form of > wired digital communication in all environments, including industrial. Not for the chemical industry in the field. Like I wrote above: Strong magnetic fields and error detection. > One reason is importance of point-to-multipoint topology. > > I would speculate that another reason is that nowadays you are forced > by state-enforced standards to attach various protection devices even > when there is no actual danger. I have worked on a few HAZOPs (a standard method for risk assesment used the chemical industry, among others). It is actually quite a structured process. You think of things that could go wrong in your process, like temperature too high/too low, pressure too high/too low, wrong composition etc. What follows is according to the "International Section of the ISSA on Prevention in the Chemical Industry", where ISSA is the "International Socal Security Association". You assiggn a likelyhood such occurrences (very frequent: more than once a year (F0), frequent (F1): once between one and ten years, rare (F2): Once between 10 and 100 years, F3 (very rare: less than once in 100 years) and the likely consequences of the deviation in the absence of measures (slight injury (S4), reversible injury (S3), irreversible injury (S2) etc). Then you go into a risk matrix. A typical risk matrix would ascribe, for example, a class of "E" for the F2/S2 combination, so something that you think will happen between 10 and 100 years with a risk of irreversible injury. To mitigate that risk, an "increased" measure would be required, for example a SIL 1 process control measure; the risk is then considered to be acceptable. If there is a risk of, let's say, a reversible injury every one to 10 years, then no measures are required. (The company I work for has a stricter matrix, IIRC). There is certainly nothing that prescribes measures when there is "no danger", that would not even be an S4. -- This USENET posting was made without artificial intelligence, artificial impertinence, artificial arrogance, artificial stupidity, artificial flavorings or artificial colorants.
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2026-03-22 16:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <10pp3le$3d3j6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #115513 |
On 22/03/2026 16:34, Thomas Koenig wrote: > Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> schrieb: >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 23:51:23 -0000 (UTC) >> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: >> >>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> schrieb: >>> >>>> The more >>>> current you have flowing, the less susceptible you are to many >>>> types of noise. That's why 4-20mA current loops are used for >>>> transmitting analogue signals over long distances, rather than >>>> voltage-defined signalling. >>> >>> When I first heard about 4-20 mA, it was explained to me quite well: >>> Imagine running a 0-10 V signalling line through the generator >>> hall of a large power plant. >>> >>> STRONG magnetic fields, lots of induction (even if you twist >>> the wires, you can never be sure). >>> >>> Plus, if you drop to 0 mA, you know that something is broken, >>> which you do not know if your voltage drops to zero. >>> >> >> At the end of the day, voltage-based standards are dominant form of >> wired digital communication in all environments, including industrial. > > Not for the chemical industry in the field. Like I wrote above: > Strong magnetic fields and error detection. > >> One reason is importance of point-to-multipoint topology. >> >> I would speculate that another reason is that nowadays you are forced >> by state-enforced standards to attach various protection devices even >> when there is no actual danger. > > I have worked on a few HAZOPs (a standard method for risk assesment > used the chemical industry, among others). It is actually quite > a structured process. > > You think of things that could go wrong in your process, like > temperature too high/too low, pressure too high/too low, wrong > composition etc. > > What follows is according to the "International Section of the > ISSA on Prevention in the Chemical Industry", where ISSA is the > "International Socal Security Association". > > You assiggn a likelyhood such occurrences (very frequent: more than > once a year (F0), frequent (F1): once between one and ten years, > rare (F2): Once between 10 and 100 years, F3 (very rare: less than > once in 100 years) and the likely consequences of the deviation > in the absence of measures (slight injury (S4), reversible injury > (S3), irreversible injury (S2) etc). > > Then you go into a risk matrix. A typical risk matrix would > ascribe, for example, a class of "E" for the F2/S2 combination, > so something that you think will happen between 10 and 100 years > with a risk of irreversible injury. To mitigate that risk, an > "increased" measure would be required, for example a SIL 1 process > control measure; the risk is then considered to be acceptable. > > If there is a risk of, let's say, a reversible injury every > one to 10 years, then no measures are required. > > (The company I work for has a stricter matrix, IIRC). > > There is certainly nothing that prescribes measures when > there is "no danger", that would not even be an S4. > I may be wrong, but I think Michael was talking about standards involved in the electrical interfaces rather than the actual dangers in a chemical plant. These involve things like electrostatic discharges and susceptibility, generated electrical noise, and that kind of thing. Fulfilling those standards can be harder when you have current-based communication rather than voltage-based communication. He may also have been referring to EX or SIL standards that apply in safety-critical equipment or equipment that is used in areas with a risk of explosion. Again, these can be more difficult to meet if communication requires higher power - as current loops usually do, compared to something like RS-232. And it is certainly the case that some parts of these standards can seem over the top or pointless in particular cases.
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2026-03-22 13:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <10pom7p$386o5$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #115497 |
On 22/03/2026 00:51, Thomas Koenig wrote: > David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> schrieb: > >> The more >> current you have flowing, the less susceptible you are to many types of >> noise. That's why 4-20mA current loops are used for transmitting >> analogue signals over long distances, rather than voltage-defined >> signalling. > > When I first heard about 4-20 mA, it was explained to me quite well: > Imagine running a 0-10 V signalling line through the generator > hall of a large power plant. > > STRONG magnetic fields, lots of induction (even if you twist > the wires, you can never be sure). Yes, that's the point of it. You don't have to have a power plant to see the problem, however. Electricians like to have nice, neat cabling and will happily run power cables to a 100 kW industrial motor in the same duct as the analogue feedback signal showing its speed. > > Plus, if you drop to 0 mA, you know that something is broken, > which you do not know if your voltage drops to zero. > Yes. In a 4-20 mA system, currents slightly under 4 mA or slightly over 20 mA are used to indicate errors, while 0 mA is a disconnected line.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-03-22 16:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <sSUvR.1169492$At07.665620@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #115511 |
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes: >On 22/03/2026 00:51, Thomas Koenig wrote: >You don't have to have a power plant to see the problem, however. >Electricians like to have nice, neat cabling and will happily run power >cables to a 100 kW industrial motor in the same duct as the analogue >feedback signal showing its speed. I'm pretty sure that is forbidden by the NEC (at least in the USA). You're not allowed to mix signal and high voltage conductors in the same raceway or even the same junction box (without a barrier between them).
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2026-03-23 11:14 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <10pr3q9$1nvt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #115515 |
On 22/03/2026 17:34, Scott Lurndal wrote: > David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes: >> On 22/03/2026 00:51, Thomas Koenig wrote: > >> You don't have to have a power plant to see the problem, however. >> Electricians like to have nice, neat cabling and will happily run power >> cables to a 100 kW industrial motor in the same duct as the analogue >> feedback signal showing its speed. > > I'm pretty sure that is forbidden by the NEC (at least in the USA). > > You're not allowed to mix signal and high voltage conductors in the same > raceway or even the same junction box (without a barrier between them). I don't know the standards here (I do electronics and embedded programming, not electrical wiring), and I don't know how rigidly the standards are followed, or how they might have changed over the years. But I /do/ know that sometimes wires carrying low-power signals are sometimes close to wires carrying high power, and that pulling some current in the signal line then makes it more reliable. Rules about what cables can be run next to each other are typically more focused on safety than signal integrity. The practicals of signal integrity are often not regulated - I've seen installations where the main concern is stopping rats from chewing on the insulation, and I don't think that was regulated anywhere!
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-03-20 21:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <TRivR.457808$ET1.376887@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #115478 |
MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes: > >Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> posted: > >> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> wrote: >> >Before read something that IIRC RS232 was specified as 12 to 24V, but >> >pretty much all the serial ports that I am aware of were like 5V or >> >similar, not entirely sure what this is about. Well, and if one uses >> >RS232 on a RasPi, it is the usual 3.3V (and trying to run 5V into these >> >pins is liable to "let the smoke out"), ... >> >> The original RS-232 (1960) started out as +/-25V Vpp (max voltage). >> Not sure what the lower thresholds on this was (but probably the same). > >RS232 is a current standard not a voltage standard of signaling. >At the time, current conventions had lower noise than voltage. Are you sure about that? Current-loop (20ma, used for ASR-33) uses absence of current for space and presence of current for mark; while RS232 uses voltage swings.
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| From | Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-21 18:52 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <20260321185242.000000f4@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #115481 |
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 21:19:47 GMT scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: > MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes: > > > >Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> posted: > > > >> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >Before read something that IIRC RS232 was specified as 12 to 24V, > >> >but pretty much all the serial ports that I am aware of were like > >> >5V or similar, not entirely sure what this is about. Well, and if > >> >one uses RS232 on a RasPi, it is the usual 3.3V (and trying to > >> >run 5V into these pins is liable to "let the smoke out"), ... > >> > >> The original RS-232 (1960) started out as +/-25V Vpp (max voltage). > >> Not sure what the lower thresholds on this was (but probably the > >> same). > > > >RS232 is a current standard not a voltage standard of signaling. > >At the time, current conventions had lower noise than voltage. > > Are you sure about that? Current-loop (20ma, used for ASR-33) > uses absence of current for space and presence of current for mark; > while RS232 uses voltage swings. > Mitch does not know what he is talking about.
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| From | Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> |
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| Date | 2026-03-21 18:44 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <10pmled$2ks6u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #115489 |
Michael S wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 21:19:47 GMT > scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: > >> MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes: >>> >>> Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> posted: >>> >>>> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Before read something that IIRC RS232 was specified as 12 to 24V, >>>>> but pretty much all the serial ports that I am aware of were like >>>>> 5V or similar, not entirely sure what this is about. Well, and if >>>>> one uses RS232 on a RasPi, it is the usual 3.3V (and trying to >>>>> run 5V into these pins is liable to "let the smoke out"), ... >>>> >>>> The original RS-232 (1960) started out as +/-25V Vpp (max voltage). >>>> Not sure what the lower thresholds on this was (but probably the >>>> same). >>> >>> RS232 is a current standard not a voltage standard of signaling. >>> At the time, current conventions had lower noise than voltage. >> >> Are you sure about that? Current-loop (20ma, used for ASR-33) >> uses absence of current for space and presence of current for mark; >> while RS232 uses voltage swings. >> > > Mitch does not know what he is talking about. > That's a harsh statement! About 99% of the time, Mitch knows a _lot_ about what he is talking about, but in this particular example he is of course wrong, possibly mixing up current loop and RS232? Terje -- - <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no> "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
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| From | Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-22 00:54 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <20260322005456.000029d3@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #115490 |
On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 18:44:44 +0100 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> wrote: > Michael S wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 21:19:47 GMT > > scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: > > > >> MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes: > >>> > >>> Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> posted: > >>> > >>>> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Before read something that IIRC RS232 was specified as 12 to > >>>>> 24V, but pretty much all the serial ports that I am aware of > >>>>> were like 5V or similar, not entirely sure what this is about. > >>>>> Well, and if one uses RS232 on a RasPi, it is the usual 3.3V > >>>>> (and trying to run 5V into these pins is liable to "let the > >>>>> smoke out"), ... > >>>> > >>>> The original RS-232 (1960) started out as +/-25V Vpp (max > >>>> voltage). Not sure what the lower thresholds on this was (but > >>>> probably the same). > >>> > >>> RS232 is a current standard not a voltage standard of signaling. > >>> At the time, current conventions had lower noise than voltage. > >> > >> Are you sure about that? Current-loop (20ma, used for ASR-33) > >> uses absence of current for space and presence of current for mark; > >> while RS232 uses voltage swings. > >> > > > > Mitch does not know what he is talking about. > > > That's a harsh statement! > > About 99% of the time, Mitch knows a _lot_ about what he is talking > about, but in this particular example he is of course wrong, possibly > mixing up current loop and RS232? > > Terje > Of course, Mitch knows a lot. But in his comp.arch posts he quite often talks about things he does not know. IMHO, about 25-30% of the time. Last example before this one was discussion of MLC DRAM. It was obvious that he doesn't know how DRAM sense amplifiers are working.
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| From | MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-08 21:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <1773004138-5857@newsgrouper.org> |
| In reply to | #115254 |
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> posted: > On 08/03/2026 12:37, Michael S wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 12:13:24 +0100 > > David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: > > > >> On 07/03/2026 23:28, Michael S wrote: > >>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2026 01:49:31 GMT > >>> MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: > >>> > >>>> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> posted: > >>>> > >>>> ----see how easy it is to snip useless material------- > >>>>> > >>>>> Idle: > >>>>> Wonders if some of the approaches used in SSDs could be used to > >>>>> make higher-density DRAM. > >>>>> > >>>> As far as putting 2-bits in a single DRAM cell, yes you could do > >>>> it. > >>> > >>> How exactly? > >>> With 1 bit per cell, you pre-charge a bit line to mid-level volatge. > >>> Then you connect your storage capacitor to bit line an it pulls it > >>> slightly up or pushes it slightly down. Then open-loop sense > >>> amplifier detects this slight change in voltage of bit line. > >>> > >>> I don't see how any of that will work to distinguish between 4 > >>> levels of volatge instead of 2 levels. Much less so, to distinguish > >>> between 16 levels, as in QLC flash. > >>> > >>> In flash memory it works very differently. > >>> Not that I understand how it works completely, but I understand > >>> enough to know that flash cell's charge is not discharged into > >>> higher capacitance of bit line on every read operation. > >>> > >> > >> In theory you could have your DRAM cell hold different voltage > >> levels. Your description of how DRAM works is mostly fine (AFAIUI - I > >> am not a chip designer), except that I think the read sense > >> amplifiers must have much lower input capacitance than the cells > >> storage capacitors. > >> > > > > It's not an amplifier that has high capacitance, It's a bit line. > > And it is inevitable*. > > The rest of your post does not make a lot of sense, because > > you don't take it into account. Most of the things you wrote there are > > correct, but they make no practical difference, because of this high > > capacitance. > > > > * - inevitable for as long as you want to have 4-8K rows per bank. > > But there are plenty of good reasons why you do you want to have many > > rows per bank, if not 4K then at very least 1K. I can list some > > reasons, but (1) it would be off topic, (2) I am not a specialist, so > > there is a danger of me being wrong in details. > > > > Ultimately, it doesn't make a big difference if the capacitance here is > in the sense amplifier, or the lines feeding it - though I can fully > appreciate that the majority of the capacitance is in the lines here. > > If the line capacitance here is so much higher than the cell capacitor > (and I'll happily bow to your knowledge here), then it means the voltage > seen by the sense capacitor will be a fraction of the charge voltage on > the cell capacitor. Fair enough - it just means the voltage threshold > between a 1 and a 0 is that much lower. But the rest of the argument > remains basically the same. If you want to hold more than one bit in > the cell, you need to distinguish between four voltage levels instead of > 2 voltage levels. Back in the 2.5V Vdd age, a DRAM cell would move the precharged bit line less than 60mV. Sense amps just had to be well balanced to read this out rapidly. I suspect the modern sense amps use something close to 20mV today. > The relative differences in voltages are the same, > the influences on cell capacitor leakage are the same. But as the > absolute voltage levels into the sense amplifier are now much smaller, > other noise sources (like thermal noise) are relatively speaking more > important, which reduces your error margins even more. So again we are > left with the multi-level DRAM cell being theoretically possible, but > now the practicality is even worse - and you probably also need to > reduce the number of bits per sense amplifier line to reduce the > capacitance. There is a product of resolution and speed which cannot be avoided. As resolution has to go up, speed has to go down. In this case; resolution is how many unique values can be sensed, and speed is the number of nanoseconds it takes. There are A2Ds with 22-bit resolution, but they operate at MHz speeds. The DRAM sense amp has a resolution of 2-states and a speed of GHs with a single noise margin (30mV). A 4-state DRAM cell would need three 10mV noise margin, precharge resolution to better than 10mV,' and sense amp resolution less than 10mV--this is phono amplification levels of noise. > As far as I can very roughly estimate, I believe Mitch's comment that > you could put 2 bits in a single DRAM cell, but I think the > disadvantages would be more dramatic than he suggested. It does not > surprise me that nobody makes multi-level DRAM cells (AFAIK). Quite right--possible--but not likely to be good on various tradeoffs. > > >
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2026-03-08 10:56 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <jwvbjgyqssd.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> |
| In reply to | #115250 |
> As I say, I am not a chip designer. But I think that while you could
> make DRAM cells with 2 bits per cell, the cells would be more than
> twice the size as well as several times slower and demanding much
> more power.
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell:
In 1997, NEC demonstrated a dynamic random-access memory (DRAM)
chip with quad-level cells, holding a capacity of 4 Gbit.
So apparently it's been done. I can't find any reference for that
claim, tho. Has anyone heard of it?
Comparing the situation of DRAM vs flash storage, I notice that MLC
cells in flash storage sometimes read the data multiple times to get
a more precise reading of the voltage level (IIUC). DRAM doesn't really
have that option.
=== Stefan
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| From | EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-03-08 12:53 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <6RhrR.1320$Ah%d.165@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #115255 |
Stefan Monnier wrote: >> As I say, I am not a chip designer. But I think that while you could >> make DRAM cells with 2 bits per cell, the cells would be more than >> twice the size as well as several times slower and demanding much >> more power. > > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell: > > In 1997, NEC demonstrated a dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) > chip with quad-level cells, holding a capacity of 4 Gbit. > > So apparently it's been done. I can't find any reference for that > claim, tho. Has anyone heard of it? > > Comparing the situation of DRAM vs flash storage, I notice that MLC > cells in flash storage sometimes read the data multiple times to get > a more precise reading of the voltage level (IIUC). DRAM doesn't really > have that option. > > > === Stefan A quicky search for "multi-bit" "dram" finds a recent paper: IGZO 2T0C DRAM With VTH Compensation Technique for Multi-Bit Applications, 2025 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel8/6245494/6423298/10979978.pdf which demonstrates 3 bits per cell but in just 25 cells. "we proposed and experimentally demonstrated the novel dual-gate (DG) indium-gallium-zinc oxide (IGZO) two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) for array-level multi-bit storage. ... the optimized transistors... enable long retention time (>1500 s) and ultra-fast writing speed (< 10 ns). ... non-overlap 3-bit storage operation among 25 cells is achieved ... Recent research efforts have mostly focused on developing capacitor-less two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) DRAM bit-cells. This architectural innovation primarily aims to save the large space occupied by storage capacitor in conventional one-transistor-one-capacitor (1T1C) design ... Compared with 1T1C DRAM, the read operation of 2T0C DRAM is non-destructive, which enables multi-bit storage in bit-cell"
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-03-08 19:43 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <10okg0c$2jfhp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #115257 |
On 08/03/2026 17:53, EricP wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> As I say, I am not a chip designer. But I think that while you could >>> make DRAM cells with 2 bits per cell, the cells would be more than >>> twice the size as well as several times slower and demanding much >>> more power. >> >> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell: >> >> In 1997, NEC demonstrated a dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) >> chip with quad-level cells, holding a capacity of 4 Gbit. >> >> So apparently it's been done. I can't find any reference for that >> claim, tho. Has anyone heard of it? >> >> Comparing the situation of DRAM vs flash storage, I notice that MLC >> cells in flash storage sometimes read the data multiple times to get >> a more precise reading of the voltage level (IIUC). DRAM doesn't really >> have that option. >> >> >> === Stefan > > A quicky search for "multi-bit" "dram" finds a recent paper: > > IGZO 2T0C DRAM With VTH Compensation Technique > for Multi-Bit Applications, 2025 > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel8/6245494/6423298/10979978.pdf > > which demonstrates 3 bits per cell but in just 25 cells. > > "we proposed and experimentally demonstrated the novel dual-gate (DG) > indium-gallium-zinc oxide (IGZO) two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) > dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) for array-level multi-bit storage. > ... > the optimized transistors... enable long retention time (>1500 s) > and ultra-fast writing speed (< 10 ns). > ... > non-overlap 3-bit storage operation among 25 cells is achieved > ... > Recent research efforts have mostly focused on developing capacitor-less > two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) DRAM bit-cells. This architectural > innovation primarily aims to save the large space occupied by storage > capacitor in conventional one-transistor-one-capacitor (1T1C) design > ... > Compared with 1T1C DRAM, the read operation of 2T0C DRAM is > non-destructive, which enables multi-bit storage in bit-cell" > > If you eliminate the storage capacitor, does that not also eliminate the need for refresh? And then you have SRAM rather than DRAM? Or does the transistor pair still leak charge?
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| From | MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-03-08 21:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <1773004702-5857@newsgrouper.org> |
| In reply to | #115260 |
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> posted: > On 08/03/2026 17:53, EricP wrote: > > Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>> As I say, I am not a chip designer. But I think that while you could > >>> make DRAM cells with 2 bits per cell, the cells would be more than > >>> twice the size as well as several times slower and demanding much > >>> more power. > >> > >> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell: > >> > >> In 1997, NEC demonstrated a dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) > >> chip with quad-level cells, holding a capacity of 4 Gbit. > >> > >> So apparently it's been done. I can't find any reference for that > >> claim, tho. Has anyone heard of it? > >> > >> Comparing the situation of DRAM vs flash storage, I notice that MLC > >> cells in flash storage sometimes read the data multiple times to get > >> a more precise reading of the voltage level (IIUC). DRAM doesn't really > >> have that option. > >> > >> > >> === Stefan > > > > A quicky search for "multi-bit" "dram" finds a recent paper: > > > > IGZO 2T0C DRAM With VTH Compensation Technique > > for Multi-Bit Applications, 2025 > > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel8/6245494/6423298/10979978.pdf > > > > which demonstrates 3 bits per cell but in just 25 cells. > > > > "we proposed and experimentally demonstrated the novel dual-gate (DG) > > indium-gallium-zinc oxide (IGZO) two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) > > dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) for array-level multi-bit storage. > > ... > > the optimized transistors... enable long retention time (>1500 s) > > and ultra-fast writing speed (< 10 ns). > > ... > > non-overlap 3-bit storage operation among 25 cells is achieved > > ... > > Recent research efforts have mostly focused on developing capacitor-less > > two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) DRAM bit-cells. This architectural > > innovation primarily aims to save the large space occupied by storage > > capacitor in conventional one-transistor-one-capacitor (1T1C) design > > ... > > Compared with 1T1C DRAM, the read operation of 2T0C DRAM is > > non-destructive, which enables multi-bit storage in bit-cell" > > > > > If you eliminate the storage capacitor, does that not also eliminate the > need for refresh? If you eliminate the storage capacitor, you eliminate the ability to store charge. Storing charge is the ONLY thing a DRAM cell does. > And then you have SRAM rather than DRAM? Or does the > transistor pair still leak charge? Every thing leaks, the capacitor is there so that the stored value can be retained "for at least a while" > >
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| From | BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-03-08 17:06 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <10oks7u$2p6o6$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #115270 |
On 3/8/2026 4:18 PM, MitchAlsup wrote:
>
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> posted:
>
>> On 08/03/2026 17:53, EricP wrote:
>>> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>>>> As I say, I am not a chip designer. But I think that while you could
>>>>> make DRAM cells with 2 bits per cell, the cells would be more than
>>>>> twice the size as well as several times slower and demanding much
>>>>> more power.
>>>>
>>>> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell:
>>>>
>>>> In 1997, NEC demonstrated a dynamic random-access memory (DRAM)
>>>> chip with quad-level cells, holding a capacity of 4 Gbit.
>>>>
>>>> So apparently it's been done. I can't find any reference for that
>>>> claim, tho. Has anyone heard of it?
>>>>
>>>> Comparing the situation of DRAM vs flash storage, I notice that MLC
>>>> cells in flash storage sometimes read the data multiple times to get
>>>> a more precise reading of the voltage level (IIUC). DRAM doesn't really
>>>> have that option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> === Stefan
>>>
>>> A quicky search for "multi-bit" "dram" finds a recent paper:
>>>
>>> IGZO 2T0C DRAM With VTH Compensation Technique
>>> for Multi-Bit Applications, 2025
>>> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel8/6245494/6423298/10979978.pdf
>>>
>>> which demonstrates 3 bits per cell but in just 25 cells.
>>>
>>> "we proposed and experimentally demonstrated the novel dual-gate (DG)
>>> indium-gallium-zinc oxide (IGZO) two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C)
>>> dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) for array-level multi-bit storage.
>>> ...
>>> the optimized transistors... enable long retention time (>1500 s)
>>> and ultra-fast writing speed (< 10 ns).
>>> ...
>>> non-overlap 3-bit storage operation among 25 cells is achieved
>>> ...
>>> Recent research efforts have mostly focused on developing capacitor-less
>>> two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) DRAM bit-cells. This architectural
>>> innovation primarily aims to save the large space occupied by storage
>>> capacitor in conventional one-transistor-one-capacitor (1T1C) design
>>> ...
>>> Compared with 1T1C DRAM, the read operation of 2T0C DRAM is
>>> non-destructive, which enables multi-bit storage in bit-cell"
>>>
>>>
>> If you eliminate the storage capacitor, does that not also eliminate the
>> need for refresh?
>
> If you eliminate the storage capacitor, you eliminate the ability to store
> charge. Storing charge is the ONLY thing a DRAM cell does.
>
But, can be different:
Does it store a charge that is dumped onto the bit-line?
(Typical DRAM)
Does it store a charge in a MOSFET gate to modulate resistance?
(Typical of Flash storage)
>> And then you have SRAM rather than DRAM? Or does the
>> transistor pair still leak charge?
>
> Every thing leaks, the capacitor is there so that the stored value can
> be retained "for at least a while"
Yeah.
Only real other way to store a bit being something like a Flip-Flop, but
an FF only has two stable states. Trying to store an analog value in a
FF would likely result in it quickly decaying into one of the possible
states.
Though, seems like with some cleverness it could be possible to create a
ternary flip-flop (by slightly mutilating the design of the MOSFETs, *).
*: Say, rather than MOSFETs with a single source/drain and gate, there
could be a configuration with multiple conjoined MOSFETs between the
high and low levels (sort of like an H-Bridge) with cross-linking
between low/high taps and the gates on the opposite transistors, with
center-taps for the main outputs.
By using some more taps and gates, it could be possible to have multiple
stable voltage levels between each pair (with the gate converging
towards the closest stable voltage level).
Though, multi-level SRAMs could make sense.
>>
>>
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| From | EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-03-08 17:18 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <cJlrR.2$GIT5.0@fx04.iad> |
| In reply to | #115260 |
David Brown wrote: > On 08/03/2026 17:53, EricP wrote: >> Stefan Monnier wrote: >>>> As I say, I am not a chip designer. But I think that while you could >>>> make DRAM cells with 2 bits per cell, the cells would be more than >>>> twice the size as well as several times slower and demanding much >>>> more power. >>> >>> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell: >>> >>> In 1997, NEC demonstrated a dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) >>> chip with quad-level cells, holding a capacity of 4 Gbit. >>> >>> So apparently it's been done. I can't find any reference for that >>> claim, tho. Has anyone heard of it? >>> >>> Comparing the situation of DRAM vs flash storage, I notice that MLC >>> cells in flash storage sometimes read the data multiple times to get >>> a more precise reading of the voltage level (IIUC). DRAM doesn't really >>> have that option. >>> >>> >>> === Stefan >> >> A quicky search for "multi-bit" "dram" finds a recent paper: >> >> IGZO 2T0C DRAM With VTH Compensation Technique >> for Multi-Bit Applications, 2025 >> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel8/6245494/6423298/10979978.pdf >> >> which demonstrates 3 bits per cell but in just 25 cells. >> >> "we proposed and experimentally demonstrated the novel dual-gate (DG) >> indium-gallium-zinc oxide (IGZO) two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) >> dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) for array-level multi-bit storage. >> ... >> the optimized transistors... enable long retention time (>1500 s) >> and ultra-fast writing speed (< 10 ns). >> ... >> non-overlap 3-bit storage operation among 25 cells is achieved >> ... >> Recent research efforts have mostly focused on developing capacitor-less >> two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) DRAM bit-cells. This architectural >> innovation primarily aims to save the large space occupied by storage >> capacitor in conventional one-transistor-one-capacitor (1T1C) design >> ... >> Compared with 1T1C DRAM, the read operation of 2T0C DRAM is >> non-destructive, which enables multi-bit storage in bit-cell" >> >> > If you eliminate the storage capacitor, does that not also eliminate the > need for refresh? And then you have SRAM rather than DRAM? Or does the > transistor pair still leak charge? The charge is stored on the floating gate of one of the two transistors. I gather that "oxide semiconductors", indium gallium zinc oxide being one, are very low leakage which in this case gives the >1500s retention time. Also the standard 1T1C cell is destructive read while the 2T0C IGZO cell is non-destructive read. There seems to be a recent flurry of research into oxide semiconductors for DRAM, and IGZO in particular.
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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-03-09 08:04 +0000 |
| Subject | multi-bit per cell RAM (was: IA-64) |
| Message-ID | <2026Mar9.090439@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
| In reply to | #115260 |
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes: >On 08/03/2026 17:53, EricP wrote: >> IGZO 2T0C DRAM With VTH Compensation Technique >> for Multi-Bit Applications, 2025 >> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel8/6245494/6423298/10979978.pdf ... >> Recent research efforts have mostly focused on developing capacitor-less >> two-transistor-zero-capacitance (2T0C) DRAM bit-cells. This architectural >> innovation primarily aims to save the large space occupied by storage >> capacitor in conventional one-transistor-one-capacitor (1T1C) design >> ... >> Compared with 1T1C DRAM, the read operation of 2T0C DRAM is >> non-destructive, which enables multi-bit storage in bit-cell" >> >> >If you eliminate the storage capacitor, does that not also eliminate the >need for refresh? And then you have SRAM rather than DRAM? In SRAM each flipflop refreshes itself all the time. My guess (I should read the paper, but speculating is more fun:-) at the 0C DRAM is that it does not discharge on reading, and thus does not need a refresh after reading, but it still leaks, and therefore needs a refresh now and then. My guess is that it charges the gate of a MOS transistor or maybe two, for CMOS action. If it's just one, there would be two transistors per bit cell: the one mentioned above for reading, and another one for writing. That might explain the 2T0C terminology. By charging the gate to different voltages, multiple bits can be stored. The reading part here would be like the reading part of flash memory. Another benefit would be that the current for charging the bit line comes from the source or drain of the transistor, so it may be possible to work with a smaller charge, i.e. the gate would be smaller than the capacitor in conventional DRAM. But if the charge is smaller, I would expect it to leak faster; OTOH, it's not necessary to retain enough charge to make a measurable voltage swing on the bitline, only enough that the reading transistor still works (and that all the voltage levels are still discernible), and maybe that decay takes longer (but I find that hard to believe in the case of more than two voltage levels). >Or does the >transistor pair still leak charge? Even flash, where the gate is not connected to anything, leaks and needs refreshing (on the order of months or years, depending on temperature and degradation of the flash device). In the device I have in mind there will be this leakage, plus leakage through the write transistor. - anton -- 'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.' Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>
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| From | BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-03-08 14:19 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <10okifi$2ld08$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #115255 |
On 3/8/2026 9:56 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> As I say, I am not a chip designer. But I think that while you could >> make DRAM cells with 2 bits per cell, the cells would be more than >> twice the size as well as several times slower and demanding much >> more power. > > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell: > > In 1997, NEC demonstrated a dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) > chip with quad-level cells, holding a capacity of 4 Gbit. > > So apparently it's been done. I can't find any reference for that > claim, tho. Has anyone heard of it? > > Comparing the situation of DRAM vs flash storage, I notice that MLC > cells in flash storage sometimes read the data multiple times to get > a more precise reading of the voltage level (IIUC). DRAM doesn't really > have that option. > This is part of why my idea is that one could replace the capacitor/sense mechanism from DRAM with MOSFETs in a NAND or NOR configuration (but using normal MOSFETs rather than the FGMOS in Flash). In MOSFETs, if you can disconnect the gate, it functions as a capacitor that can hold its previous state. In FGMOS, they rely on tunneling to modify the gate voltage (with comparably high gate voltages), but this leads to break-down over time. One option could be to replace the floating gate with a pair of MOSFETs (for pull-up and pull-down), which can be used to modify the gate (when neither the pull-up nor pull-down line is asserted, the gate floats). Leakage would still cause it to lose its value over time, but would still be more stable than the capacitors in normal DRAM. If the Pull Up/Down signals run perpendicular to the pull up/down Vcc/Vdd signals (which toggle on/off when writing rows), then it is possible to write on a grid (though activating a row for writing any of the cells would tend to degrade bits already written to that row via leakage). Unlike FGMOS though, the 3 MOSFET configuration would effectively have an unlimited number of write cycles. As noted, the difficulty in writing multiple bits to each cell, which would go into analog territory. > > === Stefan
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| From | MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-03-04 18:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <1772650271-5857@newsgrouper.org> |
| In reply to | #115195 |
Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> posted: > On 3/3/2026 11:01 AM, MitchAlsup wrote: > > > > Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> posted: > > > >> On 3/1/2026 1:13 PM, MitchAlsup wrote: > >>> > >>> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> posted: > > snip > > >>> cpu designers minimize latency at a given BW, while > >>> Long term store designers maximize BW at acceptable latency. > >>> Completely different design points. > >> > >> Perhaps that it true now, but it certainly didn't use to be. In > >> 1979-1980 I wrote the microcode to add caching to my employer's disk > >> controller, making it the industry's first true cache disk controller. > >> This was almost all about reducing latency (from tens of milliseconds on > >> a non cache controller to hundreds of microseconds on a cache hit). > >> There was a small improvement in transfer rate, but the latency > >> reduction dominated the improvement. > > > > There is an SSD that can perform 3,300,000×4096B random read transfers > > per second on a PCIe 5.0-×4 connector. That is 13.2GB/s over the PCIe > > link which is BW limited to 15.x GB/s. Each "RAS" has a 70µs access delay. > > Wow! But I think you will agree that design is unlikely to be used for > "mass market" hundreds of terabyte systems used for commercial database > systems, etc. (at least for a while) Do you know what is its cost per > GB? SSDs certainly solve the multi millisecond access time of hard > disks problem, but at a high cost. I think that hard disk sales are not > going away for at least a while. :-) IIRC:: It is 10-ish TB and If I remember correctly:: in the $3,000 range. > >
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| From | Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-03-05 12:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IA-64 |
| Message-ID | <10obujo$3q5ah$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #115194 |
MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> posted: >> Perhaps that it true now, but it certainly didn't use to be. In >> 1979-1980 I wrote the microcode to add caching to my employer's disk >> controller, making it the industry's first true cache disk controller. >> This was almost all about reducing latency (from tens of milliseconds on >> a non cache controller to hundreds of microseconds on a cache hit). >> There was a small improvement in transfer rate, but the latency >> reduction dominated the improvement. > >There is an SSD that can perform 3,300,000×4096B random read transfers >per second on a PCIe 5.0-×4 connector. Samsung PM1753 or Micron 9550? Both advertise 3.3M random 4K reads/s. Kioxia CM9 advertise 3.4M random 4K reads so even closer. Might just have been tested on a slighty different platform that could get closer to the maximum. There's a bunch of "value" products in the 2M-2.8M IOPS range, both older models from the high end manufacturers above and products from more value or "max capacity" oriented brands like Kingston and Solidgm. And... PCIe 6.0 x4 drives are now here, the Micron 9650 PCI 6.0 x4 advertises 5.5M random 4K reads/s. I'm guessing this is a respin of the 9550 controller with faster PCIe interface, a clock speed bump and a bit faster flash speed. Much faster to the market. It's not filling the interface but that's AFAIK normal for the first generation on a faster interface which is then followed by the full redesign in a better process node (higher speed/lower power). So I expect we'll see SSDs that can fill the PCIe 6.0 x4 interface (6.6-6.8m 4K random read IOPS) in probably 6-12 months - and then the "respin for a quick bump then redesign for max performance" cycle likely will repeat when PCIe 7.0 becomes generally available in high end devices, the final 7.0 spec was released to manufacturers June 11, 2025 so perhaps that cycle will start somewhere in 2027?.
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