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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Subject | Re: Why I've Dropped In |
| Date | Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:43:00 -0400 |
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MitchAlsup1 [2025-06-17 17:45:23] wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 1:26:01 +0000, Stephen Fuld wrote:
>> On 6/16/2025 9:17 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> I vaguely remember reading somewhere that it doesn't have to be too bad:
>>> e.g. if you reduce register-specifiers to just 4bits for a 32-register
>>> architecture and kind of "randomize" which of the 16 values refer to
>>> which of the 32 registers for each instruction, it's fairly easy to
>>> adjust a register allocator to handle this correctly (assuming you
>>> choose your instructions beforehand, you simply mark, for each
>>> instructions, the unusable registers as "interfering"), and the end
>>> result is often almost as good as if you had 5bits to specify
>>> the registers.
>> I can see that it isn't too hard on the logic for the register
>> allocator,
> You are missing the BIG problem::
>
> Register allocator allocated Rk for calculation j and later allocates
> Rm for instruction p, then a few instructions later the code generator
> notices that Rk and RM need to be paired or shared and they were not
> originally.
What do you mean by "a few instructions later"? The above was stated in
the context of a register allocator based on something like Chaitin's
algorithm, which does not proceed "instruction by instruction" but
instead takes a whole function (or basic bloc), builds an interference
graph from it, then chooses registers for the vars looking only at that
interference graph.
>> but I suspect it will lead to more register saving and
>> restoring.
> And reg-reg MOVment.
Of course. The point is simply that in practice (for some particular
compiler at least), the cost of restricting register access by using
only 4bits despite the existence of 32 registers was found to be small.
Note also that you can reduce this cost by relaxing the constraint and
using 5bit for those instructions where there's enough encoding space.
(or inversely, increase the cost by using yet fewer bits for those
instructions where the encoding space is really tight).
There's also a good chance that you can further reduce the cost by using
a sensible mapping from 4bit specifiers instead a randomized one.
IOW, the point is that just because you have chosen to have 2^N
registers in your architecture doesn't mean you have to offer access to
all 2^N registers in every instruction that can access registers.
It's clearly more convenient if you can offer that access, but if needed
you can steal a bit here and there without having too serious an impact
on performance.
>> Consider a two instruction sequence where the output of the
>> first instruction is an input to the second. The first instruction has
>> only a choice of 16 registers, not 32. And the second instruction also
>> has 16 registers, but on average only half of them will be in the 16
>> included in the first instruction. So instead of 32 registers to chose
>> from you only have 8.
Right. But in practice, the register allocator can often choose the
rest of the register assignment such that one of those 8 is available.
Stefan
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Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-18 10:35 -0700
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-18 19:51 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-18 15:30 -0700
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-19 01:23 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-18 19:41 -0700
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-19 05:36 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-18 23:10 -0700
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-06-19 09:35 -0400
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-19 15:11 +0000
Re: Fortran, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-19 18:03 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-19 18:53 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-19 23:18 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-06-20 15:13 -0400
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-20 20:35 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-20 21:27 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-20 21:09 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-20 21:48 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-06-21 14:57 -0400
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-19 23:36 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-20 01:32 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-20 13:45 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-20 17:19 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-20 18:06 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-20 18:31 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-20 12:27 -0700
Re: emulation, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-20 20:16 +0000
Re: emulation, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-20 20:47 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-20 21:26 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-21 14:33 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-20 21:34 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-20 23:57 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-21 00:06 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-21 00:13 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-20 23:20 -0700
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-21 07:40 +0000
Killer Micros (was: old and slow base and bounds) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-21 09:56 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-06-21 14:25 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-06-21 11:39 -0400
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-21 16:50 +0100
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-21 17:59 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-21 18:26 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-21 19:37 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-06-21 20:27 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-21 20:31 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-21 20:36 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-21 14:27 -0700
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-06-24 09:45 +0200
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-22 06:34 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-06-22 11:52 +0200
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-22 00:55 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 14:22 +0100
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-07-01 17:39 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-07-01 18:00 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-06-22 20:23 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-06-22 12:15 -1000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-22 22:44 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-06-23 09:23 -0400
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 20:04 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-23 23:16 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-06-23 17:02 -0700
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 00:25 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-24 00:53 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 02:49 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-24 06:21 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-06-24 09:59 +0200
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-24 06:16 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-06-24 14:12 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-06-24 07:43 -0700
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 14:53 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-24 14:48 +0000
Re: mainframe vs mini, old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-06-24 13:01 -0400
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-21 17:49 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-21 14:36 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-19 13:37 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-19 17:52 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-19 19:00 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-20 07:42 -0700
Re: cramming 24 bits of address into 16 bits, was old and slow base and bounds John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-20 18:40 +0000
Re: cramming 24 bits of address into 16 bits, was old and slow base and bounds EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-06-20 17:15 -0400
Re: cramming 24 bits of address into 16 bits, was old and slow base and bounds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-20 21:30 +0000
Re: cramming 24 bits of address into 16 bits, was old and slow base and bounds John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-21 17:21 +0000
Re: cramming 24 bits of address into 16 bits, was old and slow base and bounds EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-06-21 15:46 -0400
Re: cramming 24 bits of address into 16 bits, was old and slow base and bounds Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-21 22:42 -0700
Re: cramming 24 bits of address into 16 bits, was old and slow base and bounds Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-24 10:58 -0700
Re: cramming 24 bits of address into 16 bits, was old and slow base and bounds John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-24 19:31 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-19 12:36 -0700
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-19 21:45 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-06-19 16:05 -0700
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-19 23:45 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-20 14:51 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-20 15:55 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-19 20:25 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-19 12:12 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-06-19 10:32 -0400
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-19 14:54 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-06-19 20:36 -0400
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-20 01:10 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-20 01:15 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-06-21 12:04 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-21 20:32 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-06-22 01:26 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-22 01:36 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-22 08:57 +0000
Re: linking and sortiing, old and slow base and bounds, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-22 17:52 +0000
Re: linking and sortiing, old and slow base and bounds, mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-22 18:25 +0000
Re: linking and sortiing, old and slow base and bounds, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-22 20:29 +0000
Re: tape hacks, linking and sortiing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-22 22:44 +0000
Re: linking and sortiing, old and slow base and bounds, Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-23 06:07 +0000
Re: linking and sortiing, old and slow base and bounds, quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 09:56 +0000
Re: linking and sortiing, old and slow base and bounds, quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 10:01 +0000
Re: linking and sortiing, old and slow base and bounds, Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-06-23 17:13 +0000
Re: old and slow base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-06-22 01:31 +0000
Re: Why I've Dropped In mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-06-14 17:00 +0000
Re: Why I've Dropped In John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 23:18 +0000
Re: Why I've Dropped In BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 22:56 -0500
Re: Why I've Dropped In MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-08-26 21:46 +0000
VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-29 08:45 +0000
Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-07-29 16:44 +0000
Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-30 05:59 +0000
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-07-30 04:02 -0500
Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-07-30 16:24 +0000
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-07-30 13:24 -0500
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-01 17:02 +0000
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-01 15:24 -0500
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-02 15:33 +0000
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-02 15:15 -0500
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-02 18:55 -0500
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-04 16:33 +0000
Re: VAX MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-08-25 00:56 +0000
Re: VAX MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-08-31 18:04 +0000
What is more important MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-04 15:23 +0000
Re: What is more important Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-09-04 10:25 -0700
Re: What is more important MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-04 21:00 +0000
Re: What is more important BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 16:54 -0500
Re: What is more important anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-09-05 15:03 +0000
Re: What is more important BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 14:26 -0500
Re: What is more important BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 14:38 -0500
Re: What is more important Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 21:56 -0400
Re: What is more important Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-09-10 13:31 +0000
Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-07-30 17:17 +0000
Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-01 17:16 +0000
Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-01 18:11 +0000
Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-01 20:41 +0000
Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-02 09:07 +0000
Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-02 23:21 +0000
Re: VAX Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-08-02 23:10 -0400
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-03 09:14 +0000
Re: VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-03 07:41 -0700
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 10:24 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 23:40 +0000
Re: VAX John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 08:32 -0700
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 11:47 -0500
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-04 17:20 +0000
Re: 32 vs 64 bits, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-04 18:17 +0000
Re: 32 vs 64 bits, was VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 22:17 +0300
Re: 32 vs 64 bits, was VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 01:36 +0000
Re: 32 vs 64 bits, was VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-04 20:00 +0000
Re: IBM's 32 vs 64 bits, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-04 21:04 +0000
Re: IBM's 32 vs 64 bits, was VAX Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-08-07 07:32 -1000
Re: VAX Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-08-04 15:40 -0400
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 16:34 +0000
Re: VAX Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-08-31 16:43 -0400
Re: VAX Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-31 22:26 +0000
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-09-01 06:07 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-01 06:57 +0000
Debian on AMD64 (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-09-01 07:40 +0000
Re: Debian on AMD64 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-09-01 12:15 -0400
Re: Debian on AMD64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 11:33 -0500
Re: Debian on AMD64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-09-01 20:34 +0000
Re: VAX Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-21 16:20 +0200
Re: VAX Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 15:45 +0100
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-09-21 17:54 +0300
Re: VAX Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-08-04 14:06 -0700
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-05 00:21 +0300
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-04 21:51 +0000
Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-04 23:38 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 01:39 +0000
Re: VAX "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-05 09:25 +0100
Re: VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-05 17:24 +0200
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-05 15:41 +0000
System calls (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-13 07:32 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-13 15:03 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-13 16:10 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-13 18:15 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-13 19:40 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-13 19:25 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-13 21:23 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-14 07:58 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-14 13:28 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-14 15:14 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-14 15:25 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-14 15:32 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-14 15:44 +0000
Re: System calls David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-08-14 19:15 +0200
Re: System calls Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-14 17:43 +0000
Re: System calls David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-08-15 17:49 +0200
Re: System calls cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-14 21:44 +0000
Re: System calls David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-08-15 17:49 +0200
Re: System calls cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-15 18:33 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-13 18:51 +0000
Re: System calls (was: VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-13 20:28 +0000
Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-13 19:35 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 00:49 +0000
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-06 13:48 +0000
Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-04 23:24 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 01:41 +0000
Re: VAX vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-05 05:56 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 01:34 +0000
Re: VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-01 20:06 -0700
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-02 03:37 +0000
Re: VAX ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-02 04:14 +0000
Re: VAX "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-08-01 21:35 -0700
Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-02 08:07 +0000
Re: VAX Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-02 01:48 -0700
Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-04 23:45 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-02 23:08 +0000
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-03 16:51 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-04 00:04 +0000
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-03 21:07 -0500
Re: VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-03 20:39 -0700
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-04 04:50 +0000
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 12:35 +0300
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 11:59 -0500
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 12:19 +0300
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-04 12:09 +0000
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-04 14:51 +0000
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 18:28 +0300
Re: VAX Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 09:53 -0700
Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-04 16:58 +0000
Re: VAX "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2025-08-05 13:03 -0500
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 22:03 +0300
Re: VAX James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-08-04 15:25 -0400
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 22:40 +0300
Re: VAX "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 12:44 -0700
Re: VAX Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 22:21 -0700
Re: VAX Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-08-05 21:25 +0000
Re: VAX Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-08-05 19:14 -0700
Re: VAX Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-08-06 04:31 +0000
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-06 11:48 +0300
Re: VAX James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-08-06 11:56 -0400
Re: VAX Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-08-05 21:13 +0000
Re: VAX James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-08-06 11:54 -0400
Re: VAX Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 13:58 -0700
Re: VAX Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-08-05 21:08 +0000
Re: VAX Jakob Bohm <egenagwemdimtapsar@jbohm.dk> - 2025-08-17 20:18 +0200
Re: VAX Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 22:18 -0700
Re: VAX Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-08-18 08:02 +0100
Re: VAX David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-08-18 11:34 +0200
Re: VAX Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 21:57 -0700
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-04 15:11 +0000
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 19:00 +0300
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 19:04 +0300
Re: VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-04 22:49 +0200
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-05 00:14 +0300
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-05 01:43 +0300
Re: VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-05 17:31 +0200
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-05 19:49 +0300
Re: VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-05 22:17 +0200
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-06 00:21 +0300
Re: VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-06 16:19 +0200
3-way long addition (was: VAX) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-06 20:43 +0300
Re: 3-way long addition Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-07 15:15 +0200
3-way long addition (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-19 05:47 +0000
Re: 3-way long addition (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-19 07:09 +0000
Re: 3-way long addition Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-19 12:11 +0200
Re: 3-way long addition anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-19 17:43 +0000
Re: 3-way long addition (was: VAX) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-19 17:20 +0300
Re: 3-way long addition (was: VAX) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-19 17:24 +0300
Re: 3-way long addition (was: VAX) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-19 23:03 +0300
Re: 3-way long addition Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-20 10:50 +0200
Re: 3-way long addition Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-20 14:16 +0300
Intel ADX (was: 3-way long addition) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-20 14:08 +0000
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 18:25 +0300
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 12:56 -0500
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-04 14:22 +0000
Re: VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-04 16:46 +0200
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-04 15:05 +0000
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 18:07 +0300
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-04 15:32 +0000
Re: VAX Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-08-04 15:09 -0400
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 22:31 +0300
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-04 20:29 +0000
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-05 00:08 +0300
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-04 21:23 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 06:46 +0000
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-05 03:14 -0500
Re: VAX Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:52 -0700
Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-06 05:37 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 06:20 +0000
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 12:12 -0500
I32LP64 vs. ILP64 (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 11:28 +0000
Re: I32LP64 vs. ILP64 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-06 15:55 +0000
Re: I32LP64 vs. ILP64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 12:47 -0500
Re: I32LP64 vs. ILP64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 12:00 -0500
Re: I32LP64 vs. ILP64 (was: VAX) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 23:34 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 05:38 +0000
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 11:05 +0000
Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 12:12 -0500
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-06 18:22 +0000
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 10:32 +0000
Re: 64 bits, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-06 17:25 +0000
Re: 64 bits, was VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-06 12:11 -0700
Re: individual 64 bits, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-06 19:50 +0000
Re: individual 64 bits, was VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-06 20:30 +0000
Re: 64 bits, was VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 23:36 +0000
Re: 64 bits, was VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-07 15:44 +0200
Re: 64 bits, was VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-07 07:34 -0700
Re: 64 bits, S/360 was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-07 20:54 +0000
Re: 64 bits, was VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 03:51 +0000
Bit addressing (was: 64 bits) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-07 14:57 +0000
Re: Bit addressing drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-08-07 15:54 +0000
Re: Bit addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-08-07 13:01 -0700
Re: Bit addressing (was: 64 bits) Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-07 13:34 -0700
Re: VAX Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-06 23:12 +0000
Re: VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-06 23:15 +0000
Re: VAX Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-06 23:32 +0000
Re: word lengths in C, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-07 02:56 +0000
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-07 11:21 +0000
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-07 13:34 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 23:38 +0000
Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 12:42 +0300
Re: VAX Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-04 03:32 -0700
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 05:37 +0000
Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-04 13:42 +0000
Re: VAX Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-04 16:50 +0100
Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-04 23:52 +0000
Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 05:35 +0000
Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-05 01:31 +0000
Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-05 13:46 +0000
Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-05 17:21 +0000
ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-12 15:28 +0000
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