Re: VAX

From	cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Newsgroups	comp.arch
Subject	Re: VAX
Date	2025-08-09 09:04 +0000
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In article <1070cj8$3jivq$1@dont-email.me>,
Thomas Koenig  <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> schrieb:
>> In article <106uqki$36gll$4@dont-email.me>,
>> Thomas Koenig  <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> schrieb:
>>>> In article <44okQ.831008$QtA1.573001@fx16.iad>,
>>>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>We tend to be spoiled by modern process densities.   The
>>>>>VAX 11/780 was built using SSI logic chips, thus board
>>>>>space and backplane wiring were significant constraints
>>>>>on the logic designs of the era.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.  I find this speculation about the VAX, kind of odd: the
>>>> existence of the 801 as a research project being used as an
>>>> existence proof to justify assertions that a pipelined RISC
>>>> design would have been "better" don't really hold up, when we
>>>> consider that the comparison is to a processor designed for
>>>> commercial applications on a much shorter timeframe.
>>>
>>>I disagree.  The 801 was a research project without much time
>>>pressure, and they simulated the machine (IIRC at the gate level)
>>>before they ever bulit one.  Plus, they developed an excellent
>>>compiler which implemented graph coloring.
>>>
>>>But IBM had zero interest in competition to their own /370 line,
>>>although the 801 would have brought performance improvements
>>>over that line.
>>
>> I'm not sure what, precisely, you're disagreeing with.
>>
>> I'm saying that the line of though that goes, "the 801 existed,
>> therefore a RISC VAX would have been better than the
>> architecture DEC ultimately produced" is specious, and the
>> conclusion does not follow.
>
>There are a few intermediate steps.
>
>The 801 demonstrated that a RISC, including caches and pipelining,
>would have been feasible at the time.  It also demonstrated that
>somebody had thought of graph coloring algorithms.

This is the part where the argument breaks down.  VAX and 801
were roughly contemporaneous, with VAX being commercially
available around the time the first 801 prototypes were being
developed.  There's simply no way in which the 801,
specifically, could have had significant impact on VAX
development.

If you're just talking about RISC design techniques generically,
then I dunno, maybe, sure, why not, but that's a LOT of
speculation with hindsight-colored glasses.  Furthermore, that
speculation focuses solely on technology, and ignores the
business realities that VAX was born into.  Maybe you're right,
maybe you're wrong, we can never _really_ say, but there was a
lot more that went into the decisions around the VAX design than
just technology.

>There can also be no doubt that a RISC-type machine would have
>exhibited the same performance advantages (at least in integer
>performance) as a RISC vs CISC 10 years later.  The 801 did so
>vs. the /370, as did the RISC processors vs, for example, the
>680x0 family of processors (just compare ARM vs. 68000).
>
>Or look at the performance of the TTL implementation of HP-PA,
>which used PALs which were not available to the VAX 11/780
>designers, so it could be clocked a bit higher, but at
>a multiple of the performance than the VAX.
>
>So, Anton visiting DEC or me visiting Data General could have
>brought them a technology which would significantly outperformed
>the VAX (especially if we brought along the algorithm for graph
>coloring.  Some people at IBM would have been peeved at having
>somebody else "develop" this at the same time, but OK.

While it's always fun to speculate about alternate timelines, if
all you are talking about is a hypothetical that someone at DEC
could have independently used the same techniques, producing a
more performance RISC-y VAX with better compilers, then sure, I
guess, why not.  But as with all alternate history, this is
completely unknowable. 

	- Dan C.

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                Re: VAX Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:52 -0700
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-06 05:37 +0000
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 06:20 +0000
                Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 12:12 -0500
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                Re: I32LP64 vs. ILP64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 12:47 -0500
                Re: I32LP64 vs. ILP64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 12:00 -0500
                Re: I32LP64 vs. ILP64 (was: VAX) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 23:34 +0000
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 05:38 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 11:05 +0000
                Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 12:12 -0500
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-06 18:22 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 10:32 +0000
                Re: 64 bits, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-06 17:25 +0000
                Re: 64 bits, was VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-06 12:11 -0700
                Re: individual 64 bits, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-06 19:50 +0000
                Re: individual 64 bits, was VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-06 20:30 +0000
                Re: 64 bits, was VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 23:36 +0000
                Re: 64 bits, was VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-07 15:44 +0200
                Re: 64 bits, was VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-07 07:34 -0700
                Re: 64 bits, S/360 was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-07 20:54 +0000
                Re: 64 bits, was VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 03:51 +0000
                Bit addressing (was: 64 bits) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-07 14:57 +0000
                Re: Bit addressing drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-08-07 15:54 +0000
                Re: Bit addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-08-07 13:01 -0700
                Re: Bit addressing (was: 64 bits) Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-07 13:34 -0700
                Re: VAX Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-06 23:12 +0000
                Re: VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-06 23:15 +0000
                Re: VAX Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-06 23:32 +0000
                Re: word lengths in C, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-07 02:56 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-07 11:21 +0000
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-07 13:34 +0000
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 23:38 +0000
                Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 12:42 +0300
                Re: VAX Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-04 03:32 -0700
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 05:37 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-04 13:42 +0000
                Re: VAX Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-04 16:50 +0100
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-04 23:52 +0000
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 05:35 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-05 01:31 +0000
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-05 13:46 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-05 17:21 +0000
                ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate (was: VAX) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-12 15:28 +0000
                Re: ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate (was: VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-12 16:08 +0000
                Re: ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 11:53 -0500
                Re: ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2025-08-12 17:57 +0000
                Re: ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-12 19:09 +0000
                Re: ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 11:42 -0400
                Re: ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-13 06:11 +0000
                Re: ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-13 14:24 +0000
                Re: ILP32 code on 64-bit substrate anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-13 18:13 +0000
              Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-02 09:28 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-02 15:29 +0000
                Re: VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-02 15:33 -0700
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-02 23:17 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-02 23:20 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-04 17:23 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-04 18:16 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-04 14:39 -0400
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-04 19:59 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-04 18:59 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 22:12 +0300
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-04 20:13 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-04 23:54 +0300
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-04 14:41 -0700
                Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 17:18 -0500
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 01:53 +0000
                Re: VAX "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2025-08-05 13:04 -0500
                O.T. Where is Mitch? Was: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-07 23:48 +0300
                Re: O.T. Where is Mitch? Was: VAX "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 16:01 -0500
                Re: O.T. Where is Mitch? Was: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 01:41 -0500
                Re: O.T. Where is Mitch? Was: VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-08 11:58 +0200
                Re: O.T. Where is Mitch? Was: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-08 13:20 +0300
                Re: O.T. Where is Mitch? Was: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-08 14:22 +0000
                Re: O.T. Where is Mitch? Was: VAX Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-08-08 18:34 +0300
                Re: O.T. Where is Mitch? Was: VAX George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-08-08 19:07 -0400
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-05 21:01 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 00:59 +0000
                Re: VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-05 20:15 -0700
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-06 05:50 +0000
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 07:28 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-06 10:48 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-06 16:35 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-08 01:57 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 08:28 -0700
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-06 23:45 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-07 01:49 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 08:28 -0700
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-13 09:37 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-13 08:22 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-13 14:26 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-13 17:50 +0000
                Re: VAX drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-08-14 17:12 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-14 15:22 -0400
                Re: VAX Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-14 12:59 -0700
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-13 14:44 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-13 17:46 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-13 18:26 +0000
                Re: VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-13 12:09 -0700
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 01:47 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-05 13:58 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 16:47 +0000
                Re: VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-06 12:12 -0700
                Re: VAX Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-07 01:36 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-07 05:29 +0000
                Re: VAX Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-07 07:26 -0700
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 03:57 +0000
                Re: VAX Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-08 11:43 +0300
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 14:00 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-06 10:20 -0700
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2025-08-06 22:30 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-06 20:21 -0400
                Re: VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-07 02:22 +0000
                Re: VAX John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 08:38 -0700
                Re: VAX Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-08-07 17:52 +0200
                Re: VAX George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-08-07 21:53 -0400
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-08 06:16 +0000
                Re: VAX George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-08-08 19:48 -0400
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-07 10:27 +0000
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-07 11:06 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-04 12:27 -0700
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 01:46 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-06 16:21 +0000
                Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 01:43 +0000
            Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-01 23:41 +0000
              Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-03 16:42 +0000
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-05 00:55 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-05 05:44 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-12 15:02 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-13 14:40 -0400
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-15 03:20 +0000
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-15 15:10 +0000
                Re: VAX pages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-15 16:53 +0000
                Re: VAX pages BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 13:19 -0500
                Re: VAX pages Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-08-15 12:03 -0700
                Re: VAX pages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-15 19:19 +0000
                Re: VAX and other pages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-15 20:40 +0000
                Re: VAX and other pages anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-15 21:22 +0000
                Re: VAX and other pages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-16 01:22 +0000
                Re: VAX and other pages anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-16 05:09 +0000
                Re: VAX and other pages Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-08-16 10:00 -0700
                Re: VAX and other pages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-16 17:06 +0000
                Re: VAX and other pages antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-20 01:49 +0000
                Re: VAX and other pages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-20 02:49 +0000
                Re: VAX pages BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 03:17 -0500
        Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-07-31 04:26 +0000
          Re: VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-07-31 16:05 +0000
            Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-07-31 19:01 +0000
              Re: VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-07-31 19:57 +0000
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-07-31 21:24 +0000
            Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-01 02:18 +0000
              Re: VAX encoding John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-01 15:30 +0000
                Re: VAX encoding antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-01 18:08 +0000
                Re: VAX encoding scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-01 18:33 +0000
                Re: VAX encoding antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-01 21:24 +0000
                Re: VAX encoding Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-01 19:13 +0000
                Re: VAX encoding MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-08-28 15:10 +0000
                Re: VAX encoding EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-29 10:34 -0400
              Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-02 09:02 +0000
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-05 01:43 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-05 05:48 +0000
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-05 14:13 +0000
                Re: VAX George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-08-05 17:41 -0400
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-06 10:23 -0400
                Re: VAX George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-08-08 21:43 -0400
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-05 13:56 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-05 16:44 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-06 05:53 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-06 11:10 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-06 20:06 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-06 17:00 -0400
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-06 21:14 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-07 11:59 +0000
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-07 15:03 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-06 17:57 -0400
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-07 11:29 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-07 11:38 +0000
                Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 15:26 -0500
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-17 06:16 +0000
                Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 11:29 -0500
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-17 10:00 -0400
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-17 15:21 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-17 19:10 +0000
                Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 15:08 -0500
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-18 11:03 -0400
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-18 15:35 +0000
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-18 17:19 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-20 14:36 -0400
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-20 16:41 -0400
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-21 16:21 +0000
                Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 12:53 -0500
                Re: VAX Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2025-08-06 23:43 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-07 10:47 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-08 10:08 -0400
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-09 08:07 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-09 10:03 -0400
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-09 20:54 +0000
                Re: VAX Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-08-09 14:57 -0700
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-13 14:18 -0400
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-13 20:23 +0000
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-17 13:35 -0400
                Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 18:56 -0500
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-20 19:17 -0400
                Re: VAX BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-08-20 23:50 -0500
                Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-06 20:41 -0400
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-07 11:16 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-09 09:04 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-09 10:00 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-10 12:06 +0000
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-10 15:18 +0000
                Re: byte me, PDP-10 edition, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-10 19:55 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-11 08:17 +0000
                Re: VAX scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-11 14:51 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-11 17:27 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-10 21:01 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-13 11:25 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-15 05:07 +0000
                Re: VAX cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-15 12:57 +0000
                Re: VAX Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2025-08-15 13:36 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-18 05:48 +0000
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-05 20:34 +0000
                Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-12 15:59 +0000
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-20 03:47 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-21 19:26 +0000
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-22 16:36 +0000
                Re: VAX Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-22 17:21 +0000
                Re: VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-22 16:45 +0000
                Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-23 16:38 +0000
                Re: 360/91, was VAX John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-23 19:36 +0000
          Re: VAX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-01 17:25 +0000
          Re: VAX MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:56 +0000
            Re: VAX antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-28 07:49 +0000
        Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:35 +0000
          Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-08-27 05:12 +0000
            Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-27 10:56 -0400
              Re: VAX EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-08-28 13:39 -0400
          Re: VAX (was: Why I've Dropped In) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-08-27 17:19 +0000

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