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Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling

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On Fri, 19 May 2023 07:34:11 -0500, Johnny wrote:

> On Fri, 19 May 2023 06:54:08 +0100 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
> 
>> Sn!pe wrote:
>> 
>> > Does consciousness imply independent self-awareness?
>> > If so then no, current AIs are not conscious, merely programmed.
>> 
>> Do you consider training separate from programming?
> 
> Training is for pets and children.  Programming is for machines.
> 
> I don't see how a machine made of nuts bolts and electronic components
> could ever be aware of it's existence.

What if you programmed it to have neural nets that can learn, then you
trained that?

And imagine what a thinking machine might think if they found you?

  https://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/thinkingMeat.html

Obquote:
 _ _ _ _ _ _ _
"They're made out of meat."

  "Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

  "Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked several from different parts of the 
planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, probed them all the way 
through. They're completely meat."

  "That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the 
stars."

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. 
The signals come from machines."

  "So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the 
machines."

  "That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to 
believe in sentient meat."
[. . .]
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  Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-19 00:19 +0100
    Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-05-19 06:54 +0100
      Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-19 10:59 +0100
        Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2023-05-27 09:25 +0000
          Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-27 10:57 +0100
      Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2023-05-19 07:34 -0500
        Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2023-05-27 08:16 +0000
          Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-27 09:46 +0100
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      Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2023-05-27 08:38 +0000
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