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Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling

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vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 May 2023 07:34:11 -0500, Johnny wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 19 May 2023 06:54:08 +0100 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Sn!pe wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Does consciousness imply independent self-awareness?
> >> > If so then no, current AIs are not conscious, merely programmed.
> >> 
> >> Do you consider training separate from programming?
> > 
> > Training is for pets and children.  Programming is for machines.
> > 
> > I don't see how a machine made of nuts bolts and electronic components
> > could ever be aware of it's existence.
> 
> What if you programmed it to have neural nets that can learn, then you
> trained that?
> 

See my answer in the adjacent subthread:
Message-ID: <1qaz4o6.3i5mv4m4hn7sN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>

>
> And imagine what a thinking machine might think if they found you?
>

Yes, it's amusing to parody something by turning it on its head.  I'm
sure I've read what follows somewhere before but I can't think where. 
It's a nice little idea, well worthy of SF.

>
> <https://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/thinkingMeat.html>
> 
> Obquote:
>  _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> "They're made out of meat."
> 
>   "Meat?"
> 
> "Meat. They're made out of meat."
> 
>   "Meat?"
> 
> "There's no doubt about it. We picked several from different parts of the
> planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, probed them all the way 
> through. They're completely meat."
> 
>   "That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the
> stars."
> 
> "They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them.
> The signals come from machines."
> 
>   "So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."
> 
> "They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the
> machines."
> 
>   "That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to
> believe in sentient meat."
> [. . .]
>  _ _ _ _ _ _ _


-- 
^Ï^.       –  Sn!pe  –       <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

 My pet rock Gordon just is.  
 

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For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2023-05-18 18:26 -0400
  Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-19 00:19 +0100
    Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-05-19 06:54 +0100
      Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-19 10:59 +0100
        Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2023-05-27 09:25 +0000
          Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-27 10:57 +0100
      Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2023-05-19 07:34 -0500
        Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2023-05-27 08:16 +0000
          Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-27 09:46 +0100
    Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2023-05-19 08:17 +0200
      Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-19 10:59 +0100
    Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2023-05-27 08:23 +0000
      Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2023-05-27 08:38 +0000
        Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-27 10:01 +0100
          Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2023-05-27 10:05 +0000
            Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-27 11:34 +0100
      Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-27 09:45 +0100
  Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> - 2023-05-21 00:11 -0400
    Re: For openers I submit an article that can get the ball rolling snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-05-21 05:15 +0100

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