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| From | Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | aus.electronics |
| Subject | Re: DIY Electronic Vehicle Rust Prevention |
| Date | 2024-03-05 17:55 -0800 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <us8ife$23rr$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 3/5/2024 3:06 PM, cshenk wrote: > Bud Frede wrote: > >> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes: >> >>> In aus.electronics Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote: >>>> chop <chop654@gmail.com> writes: >>>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:36:42 +1100, Computer Nerd Kev >>>>> <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote: >>>>> I sure wouldn't pay hundreds >>>>>> for one, but if the root of the thing is just applying simple >>>>>> electrical signals to the paint surface, it's an easy thing to >> test >>>> a DIY equivalent on some bits of scrap. Some of the patents >> contain >>>> useful details. >>>>>> >>>>>> But if there are actual records of people doing such tests and >>>>>> showing that it's all lies, which I can see myself (not just hear >>>>>> rumor of), then I wouldn't. >>>> >>>> A friend of mine tested this in the lab when I was in college. The >>>> devices don't work. They've been around for decades and they've >> never >> worked. >>>> >>>> He wrote a paper on it for the class he was in, but I don't think >> it was >> ever published since it just debunked some junk science and >> didn't >> actually represent any new and valuable research in terms >> of chemistry. >>> >>> That's a shame, it would have been interesting to compare his >>> device and test rig with the successful Canadian lab tests: >>> > https://www.autosaverobd.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/ITS-REPORT-015-05015-4-_3-15-2007_.pdf >>> https://www.finalcoat.com/assets/lab_tests/CC_Tech.pdf >>> >>> And "Final Coat" have had their device's experimental results >>> published in scientific papers (the same testing that the Canadian >>> regulator also accepted): >>> https://www.finalcoat.com/news.html >>> >>> But details of a test done without any financial motivation for its >>> success would be very interesting. >> >> I took a quick look at the ITS report pdf. It says the test was done >> by immersing the panel in a saline solution. >> >> My friend was able to get some painted panels from an engineer who >> worked at Ford and was interested in the test. He then hooked up one >> of the devices (he borrowed it from someone who owned one) and >> sprayed the panels with a periodic spray of saline solution. I think >> the full test ran for 6 months. >> >> The idea behind the spray was that it would more closely approximate >> normal usage on a car, and not marine usage, where things like >> sacrificial anodes for corrosion protection are common. >> >> The painted panels started corroding within a couple of months and >> were pretty damaged by the end of the test. A lot of the corrosion >> started at the edges where the metal was bare, but there was >> corrosion that started in the middle of the panels as well. I figured >> that the edge corrosion would be similar to what would happen to a >> surface with a scratch in the paint. >> >> He did have some panels in another enclosure that were not connected >> to one of the devices. There wasn't much, if any difference between >> the sets of panels. They all rusted. >> >> The test was done in the late '80s, so I'd expect that coatings >> technology has greatly improved since then, plus I know that at least >> some (all?) of the car makers now use galvanized steel for body >> parts. There's possibly less need for one of these devices now than >> there was. >> >> I'm not telling anyone what to buy or not buy, but I know that for >> myself I wouldn't spend the money on these gadgets. I'd rather put >> that money into washing my car to try to clean the salt off. >> >> I think my friend wound up having more fun building the test rigs than >> anything else. Running the tests themselves was about as fun as >> watching grass grow. :-) >> >> BTW, I'm not disputing the electrochemistry that's the basis of these >> devices. I'm just not convinced that it applies to these devices in >> the real world on cars being driven on roads, particularly in areas >> where they're exposed to salt. > > Interesting read and thanks! So, if you park your car immersed in a pool of salt water it works. How does that relate to a car parked in air?
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