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  smart meter beat-up bruce56@topmail.co.nz - 2017-04-27 02:17 -0700
    Re: smart meter beat-up Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-04-28 00:42 +1000
    Re: smart meter beat-up "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 10:16 +1000
      Re: smart meter beat-up Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 23:47 +1000
        Re: smart meter beat-up felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-04-29 08:01 +1000
          Re: smart meter beat-up Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 13:14 +1000
            Re: smart meter beat-up "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 15:04 +1000
          Re: smart meter beat-up "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 15:02 +1000
        Re: smart meter beat-up "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 15:00 +1000

#59681 — smart meter beat-up

https://www.cnet.com/news/your-smart-electricity-meter-could-be-a-security-risk/
http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/smart-meters-questioned-for-their-security-and-privacy-safeguards-20170426-gvsoxx.html

It seems bullshit that somebody could tell what you're watching on TV or
when you open the fridge.
The RF link on these meters only works over short distances. Hackers would
have to loiter around your house.
And remote-reading gas meters are rare - only used for large industrial
users.

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#59685

On 27/04/2017 7:17 PM, bruce56@topmail.co.nz wrote:
> https://www.cnet.com/news/your-smart-electricity-meter-could-be-a-security-risk/
> http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/smart-meters-questioned-for-their-security-and-privacy-safeguards-20170426-gvsoxx.html
> 
> It seems bullshit that somebody could tell what you're watching on TV or
> when you open the fridge.
> The RF link on these meters only works over short distances. Hackers would
> have to loiter around your house.
> And remote-reading gas meters are rare - only used for large industrial
> users.
> 
All you would need is a setup like this;

https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/bulletm/bm_ds_web.pdf

set to the appropriate frequency and you can achieve 10-20 kilometres 
with ease over line of sight. You can be quite a long distance away from 
the person whose system you wish to hack into and, yes, you can send and 
receive with equal ease even if the other end has no amplification.

I know how well they work since I have a very similar 2.4 GHz setup 
here. Hasn't been set up since I left Melbourne 4 years ago however as I 
have no line of sight into town, just to the wooded hillsides and 
there's not much to hack into in those. Definitely no on-line fridges!

In Melbourne there are a bunch of these dishes and a variety of radios 
sending from places like the top of Mt Dandenong to the city, Mt Eliza 
across the bay, tall buildings in the city out to distant suburbs lik 
Kangaroo Ground, etc. There's a bit of a mesh network happening and most 
people aren't aware.

-- 

Xeno

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#59689

<bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote

> https://www.cnet.com/news/your-smart-electricity-meter-could-be-a-security-risk/
> http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/smart-meters-questioned-for-their-security-and-privacy-safeguards-20170426-gvsoxx.html

> It seems bullshit that somebody could tell what you're watching on TV

They'd certainly be able to see the power usage change when you cook dinner 
etc.

> or when you open the fridge.

Yeah, that one can't fly given that fridges have to cycle anyway.

> The RF link on these meters only works over short distances.

Some use the mobile system.

> Hackers would have to loiter around your house.

I don’t believe that they've actually been stupid
enough to have 'smart' meters that need the
meter reader to be close to the meter to read it.

> And remote-reading gas meters are rare -
> only used for large industrial users. 

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#59699

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:16:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

><bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote
>
>> https://www.cnet.com/news/your-smart-electricity-meter-could-be-a-security-risk/
>> http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/smart-meters-questioned-for-their-security-and-privacy-safeguards-20170426-gvsoxx.html
>
>> It seems bullshit that somebody could tell what you're watching on TV
>
>They'd certainly be able to see the power usage change when you cook dinner 
>etc.
>
>> or when you open the fridge.
>
>Yeah, that one can't fly given that fridges have to cycle anyway.
>
>> The RF link on these meters only works over short distances.
>
>Some use the mobile system.
>
>> Hackers would have to loiter around your house.
>
>I don’t believe that they've actually been stupid
>enough to have 'smart' meters that need the
>meter reader to be close to the meter to read it.
>
"They" are stupid enough to have three meter readers to read water,
power, gas?

So instead of just one thug (that's all that's needed) coming onto my
property I get three!

>> And remote-reading gas meters are rare -
>> only used for large industrial users. 
-- 
Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"

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#59700

On Friday, 28 Apr 2017 11:47 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:16:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote
>>
>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/your-smart-electricity-meter-could-be-a-security-risk/
>>> http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/smart-meters-questioned-for-their-security-and-privacy-safeguards-20170426-gvsoxx.html
>>> It seems bullshit that somebody could tell what you're watching on TV
>> They'd certainly be able to see the power usage change when you cook dinner
>> etc.
>>
>>> or when you open the fridge.
>> Yeah, that one can't fly given that fridges have to cycle anyway.
>>
>>> The RF link on these meters only works over short distances.
>> Some use the mobile system.
>>
>>> Hackers would have to loiter around your house.
>> I don’t believe that they've actually been stupid
>> enough to have 'smart' meters that need the
>> meter reader to be close to the meter to read it.
>>
> "They" are stupid enough to have three meter readers to read water,
> power, gas?
>
> So instead of just one thug (that's all that's needed) coming onto my
> property I get three!

domestic water and gas meters are mechanical so they need to be read 
manually


>>> And remote-reading gas meters are rare -
>>> only used for large industrial users.


-- 
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http://thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.barenakedislam.com/
http://www.siotw.org

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#59704

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:01:38 +1000, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid>
wrote:

>On Friday, 28 Apr 2017 11:47 PM, Petzl wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:16:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote
>>>
>>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/your-smart-electricity-meter-could-be-a-security-risk/
>>>> http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/smart-meters-questioned-for-their-security-and-privacy-safeguards-20170426-gvsoxx.html
>>>> It seems bullshit that somebody could tell what you're watching on TV
>>> They'd certainly be able to see the power usage change when you cook dinner
>>> etc.
>>>
>>>> or when you open the fridge.
>>> Yeah, that one can't fly given that fridges have to cycle anyway.
>>>
>>>> The RF link on these meters only works over short distances.
>>> Some use the mobile system.
>>>
>>>> Hackers would have to loiter around your house.
>>> I don’t believe that they've actually been stupid
>>> enough to have 'smart' meters that need the
>>> meter reader to be close to the meter to read it.
>>>
>> "They" are stupid enough to have three meter readers to read water,
>> power, gas?
>>
>> So instead of just one thug (that's all that's needed) coming onto my
>> property I get three!
>
>domestic water and gas meters are mechanical so they need to be read 
>manually
>
You are not getting it?

You DO NOT need three separate meter readers to read meters on one and
each property.

Each meter reader is a separate company contracted by a politician
$$$$$$ backed scam to read these meters. 

Only ONE meter reader is needed to read all three!

Jeesh Wayne


>>>> And remote-reading gas meters are rare -
>>>> only used for large industrial users.
-- 
Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"

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#59708

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:nu08gcl02jrau8ptb7oek291o6sa84e8es@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:01:38 +1000, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, 28 Apr 2017 11:47 PM, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:16:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/your-smart-electricity-meter-could-be-a-security-risk/
>>>>> http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/smart-meters-questioned-for-their-security-and-privacy-safeguards-20170426-gvsoxx.html
>>>>> It seems bullshit that somebody could tell what you're watching on TV
>>>> They'd certainly be able to see the power usage change when you cook 
>>>> dinner
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>> or when you open the fridge.
>>>> Yeah, that one can't fly given that fridges have to cycle anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> The RF link on these meters only works over short distances.
>>>> Some use the mobile system.
>>>>
>>>>> Hackers would have to loiter around your house.
>>>> I don't believe that they've actually been stupid
>>>> enough to have 'smart' meters that need the
>>>> meter reader to be close to the meter to read it.
>>>>
>>> "They" are stupid enough to have three meter readers to read water,
>>> power, gas?
>>>
>>> So instead of just one thug (that's all that's needed) coming onto my
>>> property I get three!
>>
>>domestic water and gas meters are mechanical so they need to be read
>>manually
>>
> You are not getting it?
>
> You DO NOT need three separate meter readers to read meters on one and
> each property.
>
> Each meter reader is a separate company contracted by a politician
> $$$$$$ backed scam to read these meters.
>
> Only ONE meter reader is needed to read all three!

You don't need any meter reader with the best smart meters.

> Jeesh Wayne

That's actually Joyce.

>>>>> And remote-reading gas meters are rare -
>>>>> only used for large industrial users.
 

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#59706

"felix" <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote in message 
news:emhsefFv1nU1@mid.individual.net...
> On Friday, 28 Apr 2017 11:47 PM, Petzl wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:16:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote
>>>
>>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/your-smart-electricity-meter-could-be-a-security-risk/
>>>> http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/smart-meters-questioned-for-their-security-and-privacy-safeguards-20170426-gvsoxx.html
>>>> It seems bullshit that somebody could tell what you're watching on TV
>>> They'd certainly be able to see the power usage change when you cook 
>>> dinner
>>> etc.
>>>
>>>> or when you open the fridge.
>>> Yeah, that one can't fly given that fridges have to cycle anyway.
>>>
>>>> The RF link on these meters only works over short distances.
>>> Some use the mobile system.
>>>
>>>> Hackers would have to loiter around your house.
>>> I don’t believe that they've actually been stupid
>>> enough to have 'smart' meters that need the
>>> meter reader to be close to the meter to read it.
>>>
>> "They" are stupid enough to have three meter readers to read water,
>> power, gas?
>>
>> So instead of just one thug (that's all that's needed) coming onto my
>> property I get three!

> domestic water and gas meters are mechanical so they need to be read 
> manually

No they don’t. Plenty of places do that remotely
using the mobile phone system and a battery.

>>>> And remote-reading gas meters are rare -
>>>> only used for large industrial users.
 

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#59705

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>><bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote

>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/your-smart-electricity-meter-could-be-a-security-risk/
>>> http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/smart-meters-questioned-for-their-security-and-privacy-safeguards-20170426-gvsoxx.html

>>> It seems bullshit that somebody could tell what you're watching on TV

>> They'd certainly be able to see the power
>> usage change when you cook dinner etc.

>>> or when you open the fridge.

>> Yeah, that one can't fly given that fridges have to cycle anyway.

>>> The RF link on these meters only works over short distances.

>> Some use the mobile system.

>>> Hackers would have to loiter around your house.

>> I don't believe that they've actually been stupid
>> enough to have 'smart' meters that need the
>> meter reader to be close to the meter to read it.

> "They" are stupid enough to have three
> meter readers to read water,power, gas?

Not stupid so much as difficult to coordinate
completely automating all 3 meters at once,
particularly the ones like gas and water which
don't even have any power to run the meter off.

And they don't want to have any meter readers
at all, they want to be able to read all the
meters remotely completely automatically.

> So instead of just one thug (that's all
> that's needed) coming onto myproperty

You arent supposed to have any with a
properly implemented smart meter system.

> I get three!

You've always had 3 if you have all 3 services.

>>> And remote-reading gas meters are rare -
>>> only used for large industrial users.
 

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