Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia"

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.politics
Subject	Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia"
Date	2017-09-03 09:35 +1000
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"Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message 
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> On 2/09/2017 1:44 PM, de chucka wrote:
>> On 2/09/2017 1:22 PM, Fran wrote:
>>> On 2/09/2017 12:15 PM, Ördög wrote:
>>>> Petzl declared
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 08:35:20 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/09/2017 8:04 AM, Fran wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/09/2017 11:40 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/09/2017 8:49 AM, Fran wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/09/2017 9:56 AM, de chucka wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The best I can get is satellite, sounds OK till you look at the
>>>>>>>>>> plans available from the providers. The prime time access is so
>>>>>>>>>> limited that I can't run my business let alone a business + plus 
>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>> 1/2 students at home using it.  I know the government will say it
>>>>>>>>>> is the providers not them but that doesn't help me and is
>>>>>>>>>> indicative of the total fuck-up that this is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone with half a brain could have predicted it was going to be a
>>>>>>>>> fuck up from the first day it was announced.  Labor should have
>>>>>>>>> known better than for that twit Rudd to commit his, and subsequent
>>>>>>>>> govts,
>>>>>>>>> to it.  It was only ever going to be a potential goer in the big
>>>>>>>>> cities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The LNP created this mess. The buck stops with the LNP and Malcolm
>>>>>>>> specifically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dream on!  It wasn't ever going to work from the very inception as 
>>>>>>> fed
>>>>>>> to the mushrooms out in voter land.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Labor's NBN was never going to work beyond the 'burbs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course it was. It does so in many countries, even third world 
>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>> The Frankenstein crap we have ended up with thanks to the LNP will 
>>>>>> end
>>>>>> up costing a lot more in the long run anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NBN (FTTH) was needed years back even in Howard years
>>>
>>> Kim Beazley and Rudd promised FttN.
>>
>> The original policy was FTTP for 93% of households the rest covered by 
>> fixed wireless ans satellite
>>
> That was how I remember it.
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rudd was listenening to best and good advice.
>>>>
>>>> Labor at that time should have been honest with the people stating the
>>>> bloody obvious, that the NBN was an immensly expensive investment. >
>>>> They did not market the idea of its absolute necessity adequately.
>>>
>>> And not achievable for many, many years beyond the burbs of the bigger
>>> towns and cities.
>>
>> It would of taken time but would covered as much as FTTN

> FTTN is a kludge.

Compared with FTTP, sure.

> The copper is old

Plenty of it isnt.

> and, in many areas, totally stuffed.

In fuck all areas in fact.

> If you factor in replacement of the copper in any

They arent doing that anywhere and it works fine without doing that.

> and all FTTN installations,

And that in spades.

> FTTN makes much less sense.

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

>>>> The LNP on the other hand saw this issue only as yet another 
>>>> potentially
>>>> perfect political wedge against Labor.
>>>> We almost always end up with a complete mess when purely technical
>>>> infrastructure and/or scientific issues become a political football.
>>>>
>>>> The way our societies are progressing world wide a fibre to the home
>>>> connectivity becomes as essential as electricity for modern 21st 
>>>> century
>>>> life.
>>>
>>> And the only way I'll get that is if pigs are flying overhead (and even
>>> worse for most of my neighbours who live kms away from the current
>>> copper wires along the road verges).  Replacement of the copper wires
>>> from the nearest village will not happen in my lifetime ( I plan on
>>> living another 30 years at least) and if I want fibre to my house from
>>> any replaced line, I'd have to pay for it and it just wouldn't be cost
>>> effective since I'm not trying to run a business.  Ditto for my
>>> neighbours but even more expansive given how far for the road their
>>> houses are.
>>
>> Who knows what fibre on demand would cost as the NBN has not published a 
>> cost/m but it is expensive in the UK and the NBN costs in Aus are among 
>> the highest in the word
>>
>>
>>>
>>> We all know that such large scale investments cost a fortune right
>>>> at the start but the long term returns far outweigh the initial pain.
>>>> We also know (or should) that private hands can not be trusted with 
>>>> such
>>>> infrastructure tasks as the endless chase for ever bigger profits at 
>>>> ever
>>>> lower financial investment is totally unsuitable for delivering good 
>>>> and
>>>> reliable results. Telstra (or for that matter any other private entity)
>>>> should never have been allowed to join in on this project.
>>>> But as much too often is the case big business influenced politics and
>>>> not particularly for the benefit of people.
>>>>
>>>>> Which is not "Fran",...
>>>>
>>>> You should not be surprised that Fran is extremely critical of Rudd's
>>>> decisions and politics.
>>>
>>> In this instance I'd have been extremely critical of any government
>>> putting forward this idea with the promise of improved speeds for 98% of
>>> the nation's premises.  Anyone who makes such a promise needs to get
>>> outside the cities more often.
>>
>> That 2% who wouldn't get higher speeds are those who would already have 
>> satellite, fixed wireless or fibre
>
> What is being forgotten here is that the first two of those technologies 
> have been improved out of sight whereas ADSL still relies of old and flaky 
> copper installations that may have existed for many decades.

And yet delivers me a 114/44 service fine.

Thread

"Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-09-01 05:38 +0630
  Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-09-01 09:27 +1000
    Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-01 09:56 +1000
      Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-01 10:49 +1000
        Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 11:19 +1000
        Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-08-31 22:15 -0500
          Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 01:45 +1000
            Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-01 12:37 -0500
              Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 06:10 +1000
            Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 09:04 +1000
        Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-09-01 21:40 +0800
          Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-02 08:25 +1000
            Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-09-02 08:24 +0800
              Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-03 16:35 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-09-03 21:46 +0000
          Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 10:04 +1000
            Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 10:15 +1000
              Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 10:24 +1000
              Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 13:43 +1000
            Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-09-02 08:35 +0800
              Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 11:19 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ördög <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> - 2017-09-02 02:15 +0000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 13:22 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 13:44 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-02 14:16 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Davy <me@here.org> - 2017-09-02 01:08 -0500
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 16:10 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 01:20 -0500
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:15 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 09:35 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 17:54 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 05:30 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ördög <abaddon@purgatory.org.invalid> - 2017-09-02 03:48 +0000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 18:01 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 05:40 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-03 08:23 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-02 14:11 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 18:09 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-02 21:06 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 21:29 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-03 00:47 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-03 07:41 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Annona Muricata <Magnoliale@Annonaceae.Annona.biz.invalid> - 2017-09-02 22:32 +0000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-03 11:05 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 12:36 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-03 12:46 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-03 12:39 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-03 15:32 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-09-04 14:26 +0000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:17 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-03 15:29 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-03 22:56 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-04 12:35 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.au> - 2017-09-03 20:47 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-03 05:57 -0500
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ezra <pound@idiot.dog> - 2017-09-02 00:40 -0500
              Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 13:08 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 13:27 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 13:45 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ördög <abaddon@purgatory.org.invalid> - 2017-09-02 04:00 +0000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 18:15 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Ördög <abaddon@purgatory.org.invalid> - 2017-09-02 22:55 +0000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-03 15:41 +1000
              Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 13:36 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 15:29 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-02 18:16 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-03 07:31 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-03 15:42 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-09-03 15:46 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Fran <franhatesnymshifters@loonynutters.com> - 2017-09-04 12:21 +1000
            Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 13:40 +1000
              Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 04:30 -0700
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-04 00:51 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 03:48 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-04 11:30 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 05:14 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 03:46 +1000
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 03:24 -0700
                Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 05:16 +1000
    Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-01 14:52 +1000
  Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 10:46 +1000
    Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 11:27 +1000
      Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 11:50 +1000
        Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 17:01 +1000
  Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 01:42 +1000
  Re: "Australia has slower internet speeds than Kenya or Latvia" noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2017-09-03 19:48 +1000

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