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Re: WikiLeaks

From "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups aus.computers
Subject Re: WikiLeaks
Date 2017-03-14 05:06 +1100
Message-ID <eio5fsFsr2U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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"SolomonW" <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote in message 
news:c3hg4sj6jwdl$.1dpny9i2ie5ec$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 04:38:53 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> "SolomonW" <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote in message
>> news:vj5m1m36nx1q$.ncxuep7j4mn1.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:12:52 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 20:46:42 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:53:51 +1100, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> VPN's do not keep logs so they can never be contacted via abuse
>>>>>> address's.
>>>>>
>>>>>all VPNs keep logs
>>>>
>>>> Not true.
>>
>>> They have as they need it for troubleshooting technical issues
>>
>> Nope, just accept that they cant troubleshoot technical issues.
>
> Of course they can do such trouble shooting.

But can also choose not to do that so there are no logs,
particularly when they say there are no logs and anyone
can test that claim by claiming they have had a problem and
see that they don't have any logs to check that claim against.

>>> plus monitor their plans.
>>
>> All they have to do for that is keep a running total of use. That
>> is completely useless for snooping on what you have used it for.

> So we agree they are keeping some logs.

A running total of what you have moved thru their
system data wise isnt a log that is of any use to
any authority who demands to see their logs.

> They would need to have usuage by time, dates, amount etc

Nope, just keep a running total of the
data you have moved thru their system.

> just in case a person queries it.

If someone queries it they say that they don't have
logs so can't check the claim.

>>> The point is do they keep it or delete it?

>> You don't know that there is anything to keep or delete.

> Well we have already agreed that they keep some

Nope, a running total isnt a log.

> we are just debating what.

A running total isnt a log that can be used by anyone to
show you have done anything illegal or even just undesirable.

>>> The worry is that you have no way of verifing whether they do or don't
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> so a safe assumption is that your VPN does log.
>>
>> An assumption isnt a fact.
>
> But its safe.

Not when they say they don't log.

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WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 18:52 +1100
  Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 20:46 +1100
    Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 21:53 +1100
      Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-09 20:46 +1100
        Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 05:28 +1100
          Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 06:19 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-11 23:43 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 04:41 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 10:26 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-13 14:56 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 05:00 +1100
        Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-10 08:12 +1100
          Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-11 23:39 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 04:38 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-13 16:01 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 05:06 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-14 20:47 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 04:02 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 07:05 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-12 08:26 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-13 16:01 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 16:54 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-14 20:12 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 05:07 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-14 08:47 +1100
    Re: WikiLeaks "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-10 01:41 +1100
      Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 04:21 +1100
      Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 05:30 +1100
      Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-10 08:14 +1100
        Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 08:30 +1100
          Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-10 08:59 +1100
        Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 13:41 +1100
          Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 14:53 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 20:17 +1100
          Re: WikiLeaks Allan Barker <allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-10 15:32 +1000
            Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-10 17:21 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks Allan Barker <allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-10 17:35 +1000
                Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 19:52 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-11 08:13 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 20:25 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks Allan Barker <allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-12 22:20 +1000
                Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-11 08:09 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-10 19:55 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-11 08:19 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 20:22 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 20:20 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-11 07:00 +0000
    Re: WikiLeaks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-11 06:32 +0000
      Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 19:46 +1100
  Re: WikiLeaks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-11 06:56 +0000
    Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 21:55 +1100

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