Re: Lithium jump start

From	felix <me@nothere.invalid>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.cars
Subject	Re: Lithium jump start
Date	2016-09-09 16:58 +1000
Message-ID	<e3f4s0Fm4vtU3@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References	(21 earlier) <nqrn39$ht$2@dont-email.me> <e3d6gvF89v5U1@mid.individual.net> <nqrpnn$ard$1@dont-email.me> <e3db3pF9d4jU1@mid.individual.net> <57d241f1$0$36053$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>

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On 09-September-2016 3:00 PM, F Murtz wrote:
> felix wrote:
>> On 08-September-2016 11:41 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 08/09/16 11:13 PM, felix wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In a round-a-bout way. Try as I might I simply *cannot* explain why
>>>>> you are such a fucking dullard, and fail to understand basic concepts
>>>>> even after they've been explained to you 27 times.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> they were perfectly legitimate points I made. the fact that you are
>>>> dodging them is interesting. you poo-hooed the idea that less
>>>> accelerator depression is not an indication of improved engine
>>>> performance.
>>>
>>> You waffled on about nothing other than a load of irrelevant
>>> ill-informed bullshit Felix.
>>>
>>> Here. Have a read:
>>>
>>>> http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/impp-1106-fuel-system-cleaners/ 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just about every one of these pre-packaged "fuel injector cleaner"
>>> products uses the exact same ingredients, and just about every one of
>>> them will do absolutely jack fucking shit *other* than lighten your
>>> wallet.
>>>
>>> Snake oil sucks in people like you every single day.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> DixieGeek May 26, 2015
>>
>> Testing one brand of fuel system cleaner on fuel injectors which are
>> performing within manufacturers specs in a laboratory environment is
>> hardly comprehensive enough to conclusively say that their use in ALL
>> situations is fiction.
>>
>> Your baseline should have been factory new injectors right of the the
>> box. Then take measurements of the same model injectors being used in a
>> currently operational car which had never had a fuel system cleaning.
>> Use the pour-in cleaner according to manufacturers instructions, then
>> test the car's injectors again. The ones you used were already within
>> manufacturers specs, and the technician who conducted the test remarked
>> it would be hard to improve on their performance, so I'm unsure exactly
>> what you expected
>>
>> Most of these products claim to clean the entire fuel system from
>> end-to-end, including removing deposits from the intake valves. If the
>> fuel injectors are working acceptably, but the issue is somewhere else
>> in the system, these chemicals might be of some use. Your process
>> doesn't even begin to test this claim.
>>
>> To test this would require actually testing the product on a real cars
>> of different make and models, getting numbers such as average 0-60 &
>> 40-70 times and measured fuel economy before and after using the
>> product. would be a good start. Measuring the result in real-world
>> testing would either confirm or invalidate anecdotal claims.
>>
>> You state that most of the deposits on fuel injectors are due to the
>> combustion process. How exactly? Port injectors are located inside the
>> intake port of the engine, which is sealed off from the combustion
>> process when the intake valve is closed. If the intake port is subject
>> to the combustion process, then you have bigger problems than dirty fuel
>> injectors. Now, you might argue that the heat of the combustion process
>> could cause any residual fuel in the intake port  to create
>> deposits/varnish on the injectors and that is in fact what happens. But
>> it's not from direct contact with the combustion process.
>>
>> You effectively did a complete rebuild on the fuel injectors after this
>> test. I would certainly expect that the process you describe would
>> remove all deposits and make the injectors look as new. And since the
>> injectors you tested were already within manufacturers specs, I would
>> hope that a professional rebuild wouldn't make them perform any worse.
>> However, if the fuel injectors are worn so as to be outside of the
>> manufacturers specs, neither this process nor any pour-in chemical will
>> return them to usable condition.
>>
>> You were smart to hide the name of the fuel system cleaner you used.
>> After reading this article and the claims you made, had you revealed it,
>> you would have undoubtedly received a letter from the company's legal
>> council. Had you been sued, you would have lost the case in court
>> because you did not perform enough objective testing and collect enough
>> data to prove your claim that their product or ANY fuel system cleaner's
>> claims are fiction.
>>
>> If you are going to perform similar testing in the future, consult with
>> an appropriate third party testing laboratory. Contract with one which
>> is willing to create a comprehensive testing process for your objective,
>> will follow accepted testing practices, will collect enough data  so as
>> to draw an objective conclusion and is willing to stake their
>> professional reputation on the results when the results are published.
>> If you do testing this way, you won't have fear of lawsuits and you'll
>> give your readers information upon which they can make informed 
>> decisions.
>>
>>
> So you can read, but why post this again, it was on the article 
> already posted
>

It's a rebuttal of the point noodles was trying to make. do I really 
need to answer to you for everything I do?

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