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[Poll] Computing favorities

Started by"Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid>
First post2015-08-19 14:31 -0400
Last post2015-09-23 08:01 -0400
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  [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 14:31 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-08-19 14:53 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 16:18 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 22:06 +0000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-20 11:23 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Trog Woolley <trog@email.fake> - 2015-08-22 14:48 -0500
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 09:05 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 16:17 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-19 20:23 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 17:19 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-20 07:07 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities mausg@mail.com - 2015-08-20 08:06 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-20 15:23 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-20 18:00 +0100
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-20 15:51 -0500
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-20 14:08 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-20 18:15 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-20 17:41 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-20 00:40 +0100
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 22:06 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2015-08-19 21:29 +0100
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-20 11:17 +0100
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hankvc@blackhole.lostwells.org (Hank) - 2015-08-22 21:48 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-19 17:08 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 17:24 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 22:04 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-25 13:07 +0000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-20 15:56 -0500
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-20 18:18 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-08-20 23:21 +0000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-21 02:02 +0200
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-19 14:28 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities mausg@mail.com - 2015-08-20 08:13 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-20 11:21 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-20 14:09 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-20 11:51 -0700
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-20 14:22 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-20 12:56 -0700
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-08-20 23:29 -0500
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-21 07:26 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-08-21 23:05 -0500
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-08-20 23:24 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-21 06:07 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 22:00 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 22:05 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> - 2015-08-19 18:11 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 18:33 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-08-19 22:33 -0600
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-20 11:44 -0700
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-08-20 07:36 +0100
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-08-20 13:25 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2015-08-20 20:11 +0100
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-21 07:02 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-20 19:15 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-21 02:06 +0200
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 14:58 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Jones <djones60@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 06:04 -0700
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 06:37 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-08-21 15:10 +0100
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-21 09:20 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-21 16:27 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-21 17:02 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-22 00:40 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 15:54 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:28 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-26 13:44 -0700
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-21 23:37 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:28 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 19:28 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-22 08:28 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-22 09:25 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-22 12:13 +0000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-22 08:29 -0700
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-22 14:16 -0400
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-22 13:16 -0700
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 08:57 +0000
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:36 +1000
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 08:55 +0000
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:09 -0400
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:24 -0400
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-25 13:36 -0700
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-25 20:40 +0000
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:07 -0400
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-31 20:31 -0400
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 18:04 -0700
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-03 16:20 -0400
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-25 16:01 -0700
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:04 -0400
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-31 20:23 -0400
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-25 20:34 +0000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:29 -0500
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-08-23 00:01 +0000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-22 23:22 -0400
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-23 07:04 +0000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-23 10:47 +0000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 09:29 -0400
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:04 -0500
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 08:54 +0000
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 15:22 -0400
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:23 -0400
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:25 +0000
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 19:12 -0400
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 10:24 +0200
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-24 05:24 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-22 14:10 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-23 01:01 +0200
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-22 16:48 -0700
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 15:58 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-25 06:52 +0000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-25 12:09 +0100
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:14 -0500
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-26 04:03 +0000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-08-26 21:56 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-26 19:03 -0400
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-26 23:41 +0000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:00 +0100
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 16:16 -0500
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 21:31 +0000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 13:20 -0700
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-28 15:39 -0500
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-28 20:51 +0000
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 22:53 -0700
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 08:59 +1000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-08-21 23:15 -0500
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities bert <bert.hutchings@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-22 01:46 -0700
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-22 18:01 -0600
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-24 13:58 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-21 12:59 -0700
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 09:17 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 16:39 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 13:49 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-23 13:25 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 15:21 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:46 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-08-23 20:41 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:50 +0200
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 20:38 +1000
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 14:48 +0200
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 13:20 +0000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 14:04 +0100
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-24 17:33 +0200
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-25 13:34 -0400
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-25 13:38 -0400
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-25 18:23 +0000
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-25 19:46 +0100
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:03 -0400
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 04:31 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:19 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:52 +1000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:19 +0000
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 20:44 +1000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-08-24 19:16 +0000
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 20:43 +0000
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 08:37 +1000
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:45 +0100
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-24 05:24 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-24 11:12 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 04:40 +1000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-24 16:47 -0400
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:53 +1000
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-25 10:10 -0700
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-25 13:36 -0500
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-25 14:58 -0400
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 14:45 -0500
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-26 04:03 +0000
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:37 -0500
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:19 -0400
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-25 20:32 +0000
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:55 -0500
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:16 -0400
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 11:14 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 21:33 +1000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 09:37 -0400
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 18:48 +0100
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:12 -0400
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:09 +0100
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 09:29 +1000
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:15 -0400
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:17 +1000
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:19 -0700
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:05 -0400
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:33 -0400
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:13 -0400
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:03 -0500
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 04:51 +1000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:00 -0400
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 06:30 +1000
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-25 20:38 +0000
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 07:36 +1000
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:10 -0500
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:42 -0700
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-26 18:58 -0400
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-26 23:40 +0000
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-27 01:13 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-26 21:55 -0500
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 06:53 +0000
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:11 +0100
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 08:54 -0400
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 19:23 -0700
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 14:19 +0000
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-27 12:11 -0700
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 19:20 +0000
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-28 13:31 +0000
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:16 -0700
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 16:08 +0000
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 11:32 -0700
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-26 14:59 -0400
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:20 -0400
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 19:12 -0700
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:41 +1000
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-27 07:06 +0000
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:20 +0100
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 11:32 +0000
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-27 09:42 -0700
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-27 13:54 -0500
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Trog Woolley <trog@email.fake> - 2015-08-29 17:13 -0500
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:42 +1000
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-28 02:10 +0000
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 08:06 -0500
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-27 14:38 +0000
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-26 13:33 -0500
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:26 -0400
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:23 +0100
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 11:30 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-27 14:35 +0200
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-27 14:17 +0000
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-27 10:33 -0700
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-27 11:36 -0700
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2015-08-27 12:27 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 16:46 +0100
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-27 16:10 +0000
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 17:49 +0000
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:17 -0400
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 14:21 +0000
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-27 14:23 +0000
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 15:39 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-27 09:53 -0700
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:51 +1000
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-11 18:47 -0400
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 11:23 +1000
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-12 13:24 +0000
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-28 13:31 +0000
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 07:54 -0700
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 19:16 +0100
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 12:22 -0700
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-28 19:48 +0000
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-29 17:50 +0000
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-30 06:56 +0000
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:35 +1000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 06:10 +1000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-28 19:31 +0000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 05:57 +1000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 08:59 -0500
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-30 05:35 +1000
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-30 16:02 +0000
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-31 12:09 +0000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 14:48 +0000
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 10:03 -0700
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 10:07 -0700
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-31 17:30 +0000
                                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 11:26 -0700
                                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
                                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-31 20:11 +0000
                                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 14:22 -0700
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
                                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 12:21 -0700
                                                        Response time Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-15 17:23 -0400
                                                          Re: Response time Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-15 22:30 +0000
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2015-08-31 16:20 -0700
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-01 12:50 +0000
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 05:19 +1000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 04:59 +1000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-15 16:19 -0400
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-16 12:54 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2015-08-30 10:41 -0700
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-16 13:01 -0400
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-17 08:29 -0400
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:38 +1000
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 04:54 +1000
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 06:11 +1000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:19 +1000
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-28 13:31 +0000
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 04:43 +1000
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-27 09:39 -0700
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 18:09 +0100
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 13:51 -0400
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-28 08:40 +0100
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-29 14:54 -0400
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-29 20:12 +0100
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-29 15:21 -0400
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-29 19:30 +0000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-29 22:10 -0400
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-30 05:22 +0100
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-30 06:51 +0100
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-30 16:02 +0000
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-30 14:06 -0400
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-31 06:43 +1000
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 15:03 -0500
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 14:02 -0700
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-02 22:46 -0700
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-03 09:36 -0400
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-03 07:29 -0700
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-03 20:01 +0000
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-03 13:25 -0700
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-03 21:53 +0100
                                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-04 10:58 +0000
                                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-04 18:17 +0000
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-03 15:41 -0700
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-08 10:28 -0700
                                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-09 00:39 +0000
                                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-08 20:56 -0700
                                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-24 13:02 -0400
                                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-25 12:59 +0000
                                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-09 10:12 +0000
                                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-10 08:35 +0100
                                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 18:26 -0400
                                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 18:27 -0400
                                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 18:28 -0400
                                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-09 07:02 -0500
                                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-09 14:40 +0000
                                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-09 07:02 -0700
                                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-09 15:41 +0100
                                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-09 17:59 +0200
                                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-10 11:17 +0100
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-30 16:42 +0000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 14:56 -0500
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 17:25 -0500
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 13:48 +0000
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 13:51 -0400
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-31 18:17 +0000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 16:04 -0400
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-31 19:12 +0100
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 13:42 -0500
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-28 12:21 -0400
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-29 12:32 +0000
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-09-30 15:34 -0400
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-10-01 01:38 +0000
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hankvc@blackhole.lostwells.org (Hank) - 2015-10-01 16:27 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-10-01 15:21 -0400
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-10-02 03:34 +0000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-02 13:11 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-02 13:11 +0000
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-02 07:32 -0700
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-10-02 13:46 -0400
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-02 13:09 -0700
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-10-06 19:44 -0400
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 19:10 +0000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 20:09 +0000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 21:00 +0000
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-31 12:15 -0700
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-31 20:31 +0100
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-31 19:41 +0000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-31 22:04 -0500
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-01 18:46 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-01 15:38 -0400
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:13 -0700
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-03 00:17 +0200
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:10 -0700
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:05 -0700
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-26 21:21 +0000
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 05:42 +1000
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 08:59 -0400
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:02 -0400
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:49 -0500
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:15 -0400
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 15:35 -0500
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-24 23:09 +0000
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 09:43 +1000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 06:55 +0000
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 17:19 +1000
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 09:10 +0000
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 19:23 +1000
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 11:26 +0000
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 04:43 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 15:01 -0400
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:22 -0500
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:39 -0400
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:18 -0500
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-31 20:38 -0400
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:35 +1000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:37 -0400
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:27 -0400
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:36 -0700
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:32 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-24 16:52 -0400
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-25 10:16 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-26 04:03 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-24 12:22 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:41 +1000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-23 18:47 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 15:16 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:18 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:31 -0400
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:55 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:53 +1000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:18 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 10:28 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-24 12:40 +0000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 13:18 +0000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 04:34 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-23 22:39 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:16 +0000
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-24 10:34 +0100
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:58 +0000
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-08-24 13:04 +0100
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 14:09 +0100
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 14:52 +0100
                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 16:41 +0100
                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 19:29 +0100
                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-24 15:32 -0700
                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-25 07:16 +0100
                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-10-07 18:38 -0400
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 19:26 -0500
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 08:46 +0200
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 21:50 +0200
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 13:28 +0000
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 10:25 -0400
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-09 18:07 +0300
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 11:24 -0400
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-09 10:55 -0500
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 12:18 -0400
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-09 20:49 +0100
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:42 -0500
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 15:45 +0000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-10-09 17:32 +0000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-09 19:20 +0000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 19:32 +0000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 15:36 -0400
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 20:56 +0000
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-10 16:21 +0100
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2015-10-09 17:51 -0400
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-09 22:51 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-09 22:55 -0400
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-10 04:27 +0100
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-10 09:57 +0100
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-10-10 17:09 +0000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-10 13:57 -0400
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:05 -0500
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 00:30 -0400
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 09:01 +0000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-10 03:38 -0700
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 11:22 +0000
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:13 -0500
                                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 23:57 +0000
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:24 -0400
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 11:33 -0400
                                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-10 20:20 +0300
                                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 15:22 -0400
                                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-11 09:39 +0100
                                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 13:23 -0400
                                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-10-11 17:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 14:18 -0400
                                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-11 12:24 -0700
                                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-12 00:06 +0000
                                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-10-12 07:17 +0000
                                                        OT: systemd (was: [Poll] Computing favorities)     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-10 10:44 -0700
                                                          Re: OT: systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 15:29 -0400
                                                          Re: OT: systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-10 22:31 +0300
                                                            Re: OT: systemd Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-11 09:41 +0100
                                                              OT: Wayland (was: systemd)     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-11 09:06 -0700
                                                                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 13:31 -0400
                                                                  Re: OT: Wayland     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-11 10:36 -0700
                                                                    Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 14:15 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-11 19:53 -0300
                                                                        Re: OT: Wayland Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-12 02:45 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 22:43 -0400
                                                                            Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-12 02:58 -0300
                                                                              Re: OT: Wayland Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-12 08:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 08:28 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 00:58 -0300
                                                                                  Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 13:21 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT: Wayland Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-13 14:07 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT: Wayland Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-13 16:55 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 13:24 -0300
                                                                                      Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 17:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 16:09 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 13:07 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 09:20 -0400
                                                                                              Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 14:26 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT: Wayland Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-14 16:41 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 15:50 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 10:47 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 15:52 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 12:59 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT: Wayland Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-14 14:45 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 14:32 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT: Wayland Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-12 13:05 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 08:31 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT: Wayland Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-12 13:38 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT: Wayland Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:41 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT: Wayland Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-12 18:15 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT: Wayland Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 05:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT: Wayland Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-12 00:19 +0300
                                                                      Re: OT: Wayland Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-11 21:46 +0000
                                                              Re: OT: systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 13:24 -0400
                                                                Re: OT: systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-12 00:25 +0300
                                                                  Re: OT: systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 18:37 -0400
                                                          Re: OT: systemd (was: [Poll] Computing favorities) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-10 19:38 +0000
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:08 -0500
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-10-11 17:31 +0000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 11:23 -0400
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-10-10 17:34 +0000
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2015-10-10 19:28 -0400
                                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-11 07:12 +0000
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 19:45 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-10 07:12 +0000
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-10 00:39 -0700
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:16 -0400
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-10 10:11 -0400
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:21 -0500
                                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:55 -0400
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-11 04:45 +0000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "John E. Davis" <jed@jedsoft.org> - 2015-10-12 17:53 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:01 -0500
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 23:57 +0000
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 15:03 +0000
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 15:46 +0000
                                            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 16:30 +0000
                                              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 18:15 +0000
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 18:57 +0000
                                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 20:15 +0000
                                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-09 15:09 -0700
                                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-09 20:52 +0000
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-08 21:17 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-08 12:07 -0400
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 13:15 -0500
                                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 05:14 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-08 13:06 +0000
                                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-08 12:29 -0400
                                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-08 12:44 -0500
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-08 15:37 -0500
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-08 19:19 -0700
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-09 06:26 -0500
                                          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:40 -0500
                                      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 16:14 +0000
                                        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:46 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 07:29 -0400
                  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 13:20 +0000
                    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 12:10 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:06 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:02 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 23:35 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-10-07 12:19 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 15:27 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:10 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:28 -0500
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:27 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:48 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-23 21:32 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:57 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:00 +0100
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:18 +0000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 11:31 -0700
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 12:08 -0700
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 08:22 -0700
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-08-24 19:29 +0000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 18:37 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 18:38 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-24 15:54 -0700
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-25 10:21 -0700
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 04:55 +1000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 18:41 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:47 +1000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 16:25 -0700
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities fmassei@gmail.com - 2015-08-24 14:05 -0700
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 04:19 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-23 08:01 -0400

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#150481

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2015-08-26 07:19 -0700
Message-ID<dffce0b9-99ba-444c-a928-49a8b533daf2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#150400
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 4:18:58 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:

> I missed that bit.  The original Microsoft BASIC wouldn't have run on an 
> operating system, you'd enter a loader into the Altair 8800, which would 
> then load the BASIC.  I'm not sure how much I/O was included.  Later, the 
> same concept was used, when Microsoft BASIC landed in ROM in many a home 
> computer, it had rudimentary I/O, but not a separate operating system.  So 
> Microsoft BASIC in the Radio Shack Color Computer could save to cassette 
> and do some rudimentary printing, and if you had a floppy disk controller 
> card plugged in, the ROM in there would add the code so the BASIC could 
> make use of the floppy drive.

I forgot about ROM BASIC on tne IBM PC.  We always ran off of GW-BASIC.  Wasn't the cassette port and ROM BASIC eventually discontinued from IBM and clone PCs?

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#150518

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2015-08-26 15:05 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1508261502080.21317@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#150481
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 4:18:58 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
>
>> I missed that bit.  The original Microsoft BASIC wouldn't have run on an
>> operating system, you'd enter a loader into the Altair 8800, which would
>> then load the BASIC.  I'm not sure how much I/O was included.  Later, the
>> same concept was used, when Microsoft BASIC landed in ROM in many a home
>> computer, it had rudimentary I/O, but not a separate operating system.  So
>> Microsoft BASIC in the Radio Shack Color Computer could save to cassette
>> and do some rudimentary printing, and if you had a floppy disk controller
>> card plugged in, the ROM in there would add the code so the BASIC could
>> make use of the floppy drive.
>
> I forgot about ROM BASIC on tne IBM PC.  We always ran off of GW-BASIC. 
> Wasn't the cassette port and ROM BASIC eventually discontinued from IBM 
> and clone PCs?
>
I don't know when it disappeared.

But that's another example of what I was saying, the original "IBM PC" had
BASIC in ROM, just like the Commodore 64 and all the others.  But if you 
added a disk drive, the language would be extended so it could do disk 
operations.  But the BASIC in the OS relied on the BASIC in ROM for much 
of the code.  So that wouldn't work if it ran on a "clone" that didn't 
have the BASIC in ROM.  It was the more universal "MSDOS" that had the 
full fledged BASIC that didn't need the ROM.

   Michael

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#150389

FromRich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>
Date2015-08-25 15:33 -0400
Message-ID<mddd1ybb1u0.fsf@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to#150378
DISCLAIMER:  I work for Paul Allen, and have met Bill Gates, and have been
friends for years with one of the early Microsoft developers (badge #11).

Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:

> On 8/25/2015 12:10 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 4:47:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Black
>> wrote:

>>> I've never seen Bill Gates credited with doing anything for BASIC
>>> except poplarizing it by putting his version on endless
>>> computers.

>> I'm not sure in what context do you mean "credited with anything".
>> No one ever claimed Gates invented BASIC.

>> Gates' M/S did develop a low-cost BASIC compiler for the IBM PC and
>> clones.  

Actually, Microsoft (originally Micro-Soft) did not yet exist when the two high
school friends, along with a third programmer that Gates met at Harvard, wrote
a BASIC interpreter for the Altair 8800.  I can quote you the opening lines of
the main source file:


    00100	MCSSIM(START)
    00120	
    00140	TITLE	BASIC MCS 8080	GATES/ALLEN/DAVIDOFF
    00160	IFNDEF	LENGTH,<PRINTX !!! MUST HAVE COM !!
    00180		END>
    00200	IF1,<
    00220	IFE	LENGTH,<PRINTX /SMALL/ >
    00240	IFE	LENGTH-1,<PRINTX /MEDIUM/ >
    00260	IFE	LENGTH-2,<PRINTX /BIG/ >
    00280	IFE	STRING,<PRINTX /NO $$/ >
    00300	IFN	STRING,<PRINTX /$$ $$/ >
    00320	>
    00340	SUBTTL	VERSION 1.1 -- MORE FEATURES TO COME
    00360	COMMENT *
    00380	
    00400	--------- ---- -- ---- ----- --- ---- -----
    00420	COPYRIGHT 1975 BY BILL GATES AND PAUL ALLEN
    00440	--------- ---- -- ---- ----- --- ---- -----
    00460	
    00480	
    00500	WRITTEN ORIGINALLY ON THE PDP-10 AT HARVARD FROM
    00520	FEBRUARY 9 TO  APRIL 27
    00540	
    00560	PAUL ALLEN WROTE THE NON-RUNTIME STUFF.
    00580	BILL GATES WROTE THE RUNTIME STUFF.
    00600	MONTE DAVIDOFF WROTE THE MATH PACKAGE.
    00620	
    00640	THINGS TO DO:
    00641	SYNTAX PROBLEMS (OR)
    00642	NICE ERRORS
    00643	ALLOW ^W AND ^C IN LIST COMMAND
    00646	TAPE I/O
    00648	BUFFER I/O
    00650	USR ??
    00652	ELSE
    00660	USER DEFINED FUNCTIONS(MULTI-ARG,MULTI-LINE,STRINGS)
    00680	MAKE STACK BOUNDARY STUFF EXACT
    00700	(FOUT 24 FIN 14)
    00720	PUNCH,DELETE,,,
    00740	INLINE CONSTANT CONVERSION--MAKE IT WORK
    00750	SIMPLE STRINGS
    00760	*


The business acumen came in when instead of selling the program to Bob Roberts
of MITS (creator of the Altair 8800), Gates licensed it to him while retaining
the right to license it to other microcomputer manufacturers.  Since none yet
existed, Roberts went for it.  Micro-Soft was incorporated later that year.

> That must have been later. I'm sure his original BASIC (that he became
> known for) was interpreted, and think it was for CP/M (I know there
> was a version for CP/M, just not sure if Gates also sold it for other
> OS). This was before the IBM PC.

CP/M only ran on a single system, the Intellec-8, when the Altair came out.  It
was ported to "S-100" systems, that is, 8080-based microcomputers using the
Altair bus, after the success of MITS, IMSAI, and others using that bus.  A
version of Microsoft BASIC was written for CP/M later, but originally their
BASIC was a standalone program for whatever computer it was ported to.

There were dozens of versions of Microsoft BASIC for several different
microprocessors for years before the IBM PC came along.

-- 
Rich Alderson                                   news@alderson.users.panix.com
    the russet leaves of an autumn oak/inspire once again the failed poet/
    to take up his pen/and essay to place his meagre words upon the page...

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#150398

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2015-08-25 16:13 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1508251605020.19387@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#150378
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Dave Garland wrote:

> On 8/25/2015 12:10 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 4:47:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Black
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've never seen Bill Gates credited with doing anything for BASIC
>>> except poplarizing it by putting his version on endless
>>> computers.
>>
>> I'm not sure in what context do you mean "credited with anything".
>> No one ever claimed Gates invented BASIC.
>>
>> Gates' M/S did develop a low-cost BASIC compiler for the IBM PC and
>> clones.
>
> That must have been later. I'm sure his original BASIC (that he became
> known for) was interpreted, and think it was for CP/M (I know there
> was a version for CP/M, just not sure if Gates also sold it for other
> OS). This was before the IBM PC.
>
Yes, his domain in those early days (which at the time was a fairly long 
period) was BASIC interpreters.  There were others for various small 
computers, SWTP had their own BASIC, but he was able to sink his teeth 
into many, especially once BASIC started appearing in ROM.  I think if 
your computer had BASIC in ROM, then it was from Microsoft.

The common BASIC compiler for CP/M was by someone aligned with Digital 
Research.  I forget the guy's name, but Jerry Pournelle wrote about it 
quite a bit, and the author was either in the navy, or taught at a Navy 
school (which Gary Kildall also did at one point).

Wait, it was CBASIC (your comment below pointed me in the right direction) 
by Gordon Eubanks.

  > [snip]
>
>> As far as I know, anyone else was free to develop their own BASIC
>> compiler, indeed, I think Ky/Kz developed something called "True
>> BASIC", though it didn't catch on.  Borland may have had a
>> TurboBASIC, but I'm not sure.
>
> There were certainly others. Osborne bundled a compiled BASIC from
> Digital Research called CBASIC2 as well as MBASIC. My Morrow came with
> (Northstar-compatible) BAZIC in addition to MBASIC. The Qantel mini at
> a PPOE appeared to have all its application software written in a
> dialect called QBASIC (which had a bunch of database extensions). Yes,
> later on Borland sold TurboBASIC as well as TurboPascal and a bunch of
> other Turbos (TurboC is apparently available for download from
> sourceforge).
>
THen there was the BASIC from Sphere (which had an all in one computer 
before 1977 when the Big Names hit the market), which according to one 
review was so slow that it must be an existing BASIC running on an 
emulator.  I can't remember if that was stated as fact or speculation.

Some just wanted to stay away from Microsoft I guess.

Radio Shack's original BASIC in the TRS-80 was based on Tiny BASIC as 
outlined in Dr. Dobbs, but then the "extended BASIC" was from Microsoft.


   Michael

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#150429

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2015-08-25 17:03 -0500
Message-ID<mriojv$gu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#150398
"Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1508251605020.19387@darkstar.example.org...
>
>               [snip...]                     [snip...] 
> [snip...]
>
> Radio Shack's original BASIC in the TRS-80 was based on Tiny BASIC as 
> outlined in Dr. Dobbs, but then the "extended BASIC" was from Microsoft.
>

The "original BASIC ... based on Tiny BASIC" was referred to as Level I 
BASIC.
The "extended BASIC" was called Level II BASIC.

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#150381

From"hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com>
Date2015-08-26 04:51 +1000
Message-ID<d43rqiFcu7cU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#150366

<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message 
news:13447b7b-2d02-418c-8f04-7b9058c326a2@googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 4:47:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
>
>> I've never seen Bill Gates credited with doing anything for BASIC except
>> poplarizing it by putting his version on endless computers.
>
> I'm not sure in what context do you mean "credited with anything".  No one 
> ever claimed Gates invented BASIC.
>
> Gates' M/S did develop a low-cost BASIC compiler for the IBM PC and 
> clones.  This offered an easier to use editor and produced an executable 
> module that ran a lot faster than a program produced by the interpreter. 
> Also, a program could be much larger than the interpreter could handle. 
> (They also developed a more expensive 'commercial' version that had a few 
> more features.)
>
> I had purchased a copy for use on my 286 and it worked out very well.  I 
> still use some old executables to this day.  (I don't know if they'll run 
> on new machines.)
>
> Later, Gates' M/S developed Visual BASIC, combining the simplicity and 
> ease of use of BASIC with the ability to use Windows GUI as a user 
> interface.  But I don't think Visual BASIC ever caught on in a big way.

It did in Office.

> As far as I know, anyone else was free to develop their own BASIC 
> compiler, indeed, I think Ky/Kz developed something called "True BASIC", 
> though it didn't catch on.  Borland may have had a TurboBASIC, but I'm not 
> sure.
>
>
> As to Bill Gates and his business ethics, my own opinion is that two of 
> his stances were objectionable:
>
> 1) Operating system development and marketing was too monopolistic,

Its hard to claim any monopoly when the main alternative was quite literally 
free.

> with PC makers forced to charge for Windows even if not desired.

No they were not. The most that ever happened was that they
got a better price for the licences if they paid MS for a license
for all the hardware they shipped.

> Further, applicatio development should've been separated.

It always was.

> 2) Making Windows and various applications so automated
> that it was very easy for malware to do its dirty work without
> the end user being aware of it.

Win wasn't unique in that respect.

> It wouldn't have killed end users to learn a few commands and do
> some set up work so that anything new running on a machine had
> to be explicitly installed, as opposed to just magically appearing.

Plug and Play makes a hell of a lot more sense for the average user.

> Stuff shouldn't automatically run upon the mere opnening of an email.

Yes, but MS products were not unique in that respect.

> Web browsers should be far less automated, so that
> viruses don't get downloaded from visiting a website.

That had nothing to do with MS because it was quite late
to browsers and wasn't only seen with MS browsers. 

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#150394

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2015-08-25 16:00 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1508251556240.19387@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#150366
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 4:47:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
>
>> I've never seen Bill Gates credited with doing anything for BASIC except
>> poplarizing it by putting his version on endless computers.
>
> I'm not sure in what context do you mean "credited with anything".  No 
> one ever claimed Gates invented BASIC.
>
Go back and find the message I replied to, and quoted.

If I recall properly, and I'm not looking, the previous claimed that 
Microsoft BASIC used tokens, as if it was a new development.

I'm saying that it was probably not something invented by Swiftwater Bill.

He definitely popularized BASIC by getting it on all kinds of home 
computers.  But I don't recall him being credited with adding anything to 
BASIC, he was riding on what came before.  Adapting it to the different 
hardware isn't "adding to BASIC", it's just allowing the BASIC interpreter 
to make use of different graphic hardware.

   Michael

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#150406

From"hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com>
Date2015-08-26 06:30 +1000
Message-ID<d441k4Fee97U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#150394

"Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1508251556240.19387@darkstar.example.org...
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 4:47:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
>>
>>> I've never seen Bill Gates credited with doing anything for BASIC except
>>> poplarizing it by putting his version on endless computers.
>>
>> I'm not sure in what context do you mean "credited with anything".  No 
>> one ever claimed Gates invented BASIC.
>>
> Go back and find the message I replied to, and quoted.
>
> If I recall properly, and I'm not looking, the previous claimed that 
> Microsoft BASIC used tokens, as if it was a new development.

Never said anything about that being a new development.

I JUST said that it was something that MS Basic did THAT OTHERS COPIED.

> I'm saying that it was probably not something invented by Swiftwater Bill.

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

> He definitely popularized BASIC by getting it on all kinds of home 
> computers.

And that approach was COPIED by others too.

> But I don't recall him being credited with adding anything to BASIC, he 
> was riding on what came before.

That is a lie with the use of tokens that made that implementation
viable on those very small memory machines.

> Adapting it to the different hardware isn't "adding to BASIC", it's just 
> allowing the BASIC interpreter to make use of different graphic hardware.

Yet another straw man being furiously thrashed. 

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#150412

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2015-08-25 20:38 +0000
Message-ID<649894063462227931.201233peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#150406
"hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message
> news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1508251556240.19387@darkstar.example.org...
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> 
>>> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 4:47:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've never seen Bill Gates credited with doing anything for BASIC except
>>>> poplarizing it by putting his version on endless computers.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure in what context do you mean "credited with anything".  No
>>> >> one ever claimed Gates invented BASIC.
>>> 
>> Go back and find the message I replied to, and quoted.
>> 
>> If I recall properly, and I'm not looking, the previous claimed that >
>> Microsoft BASIC used tokens, as if it was a new development.
> 
> Never said anything about that being a new development.
> 
> I JUST said that it was something that MS Basic did THAT OTHERS COPIED.

Tokenization is as old as the first assemblers.

> 
>> I'm saying that it was probably not something invented by Swiftwater Bill.
> 
> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
> 
>> He definitely popularized BASIC by getting it on all kinds of home > computers.
> 
> And that approach was COPIED by others too.
> 
>> But I don't recall him being credited with adding anything to BASIC, he
>> > was riding on what came before.
> 
> That is a lie with the use of tokens that made that implementation
> viable on those very small memory machines.
> 
>> Adapting it to the different hardware isn't "adding to BASIC", it's just
>> > allowing the BASIC interpreter to make use of different graphic hardware.
> 
> Yet another straw man being furiously thrashed.


-- 
Pete

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#150423

From"hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com>
Date2015-08-26 07:36 +1000
Message-ID<d445f7Ffd1nU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#150412

"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:649894063462227931.201233peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
> "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> wrote:
>> "Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message
>> news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1508251556240.19387@darkstar.example.org...
>>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 4:47:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've never seen Bill Gates credited with doing anything for BASIC 
>>>>> except
>>>>> poplarizing it by putting his version on endless computers.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure in what context do you mean "credited with anything".  No
>>>> >> one ever claimed Gates invented BASIC.
>>>>
>>> Go back and find the message I replied to, and quoted.
>>>
>>> If I recall properly, and I'm not looking, the previous claimed that >
>>> Microsoft BASIC used tokens, as if it was a new development.
>>
>> Never said anything about that being a new development.
>>
>> I JUST said that it was something that MS Basic did THAT OTHERS COPIED.
>
> Tokenization is as old as the first assemblers.

Never said he INVENTED those, JUST that the use of those
to get a Basic interpreter that would run in the very small
amount of ram that the early Altair had WAS COPIED BY OTHERS.

>>> I'm saying that it was probably not something invented by Swiftwater 
>>> Bill.
>>
>> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
>>
>>> He definitely popularized BASIC by getting it on all kinds of home 
>>> computers.
>>
>> And that approach was COPIED by others too.
>>
>>> But I don't recall him being credited with adding anything to BASIC, he
>>> > was riding on what came before.
>>
>> That is a lie with the use of tokens that made that implementation
>> viable on those very small memory machines.
>>
>>> Adapting it to the different hardware isn't "adding to BASIC", it's just
>>> allowing the BASIC interpreter to make use of different graphic 
>>> hardware.
>>
>> Yet another straw man being furiously thrashed.
 

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#150431

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2015-08-25 17:10 -0500
Message-ID<mrip18$1t2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#150394
"Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1508251556240.19387@darkstar.example.org...
>
>          [snip...]                       [snip...] 
> [snip...]
>
> He definitely popularized BASIC by getting it on all kinds of home 
> computers.  But I don't recall him being credited with adding anything to 
> BASIC, he was riding on what came before.  Adapting it to the different 
> hardware isn't "adding to BASIC", it's just allowing the BASIC interpreter 
> to make use of different graphic hardware.
>

There is *no* love lost between me and Swiftwater Bill.  I consider him very 
close to the Devil Incarnate!

But there *was* much added to BASIC.   Look at the Radio Shack Color 
Computer BASIC, which is very similar to BASICA and GW-BASIC for the IBM PC 
... all developed by Microsoft.  There were commands to play musical notes 
and also commands draw lines on a high-res screen.  ISTM that there was a 
CIRCLE command that would draw a high-res circle.

In addition, an editing command was added that was almost identical to the 
SOS editor on the PDP-10's line edit command.  You can edit a particular 
line and delete or insert characters.  This is *not* unexpected, since Gates 
and Allen worked on a PDP-10 in Seattle when they were teenagers, as well as 
using a PDP-10 to develop Altair BASIC.

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#150486

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2015-08-26 07:42 -0700
Message-ID<d77394ef-39d7-4e73-938e-65c249f8ba60@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#150431
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 6:10:26 PM UTC-4, Charles Richmond wrote:

> In addition, an editing command was added that was almost identical to the 
> SOS editor on the PDP-10's line edit command.  You can edit a particular 
> line and delete or insert characters.  This is *not* unexpected, since Gates 
> and Allen worked on a PDP-10 in Seattle when they were teenagers, as well as 
> using a PDP-10 to develop Altair BASIC.

The compiler version also had a screen editor, so one didn't have to bother typing in a line number for every line, and could easily modify statements, search for things, etc.  There were also debugging aides.  When DOS 5.0 came out, IIRC, this editor was included for everyone (replacing the cumbersome EDLIN), and an interpreted version of the BASIC, QBASIC, came with it (EDIT and QBASIC used common pieces).  

I don't know if Gates/MS developed those innovations or not.  But they did speed up programming.

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#150531

From"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid>
Date2015-08-26 18:58 -0400
Message-ID<mrlg6m$64u$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#150486
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message 
news:d77394ef-39d7-4e73-938e-65c249f8ba60@googlegroups.com...
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 6:10:26 PM UTC-4, Charles Richmond wrote:

> In addition, an editing command was added that was almost identical to the
> SOS editor on the PDP-10's line edit command.  You can edit a particular
> line and delete or insert characters.  This is *not* unexpected, since 
> Gates
> and Allen worked on a PDP-10 in Seattle when they were teenagers, as well 
> as
> using a PDP-10 to develop Altair BASIC.

The compiler version also had a screen editor, so one didn't have to bother 
typing in a line number for every line, and could easily modify statements, 
search for things, etc.  There were also debugging aides.  When DOS 5.0 came 
out, IIRC, this editor was included for everyone (replacing the cumbersome 
EDLIN), and an interpreted version of the BASIC, QBASIC, came with it (EDIT 
and QBASIC used common pieces).

I don't know if Gates/MS developed those innovations or not.  But they did 
speed up programming.

    I remember edlin. I was very pleased with it.



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#150537

FromBob Eager <news0005@eager.cx>
Date2015-08-26 23:40 +0000
Message-ID<d47139F4rooU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#150531
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:58:06 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:

> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message
> news:d77394ef-39d7-4e73-938e-65c249f8ba60@googlegroups.com...
> On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 6:10:26 PM UTC-4, Charles Richmond wrote:
> 
>> In addition, an editing command was added that was almost identical to
>> the SOS editor on the PDP-10's line edit command.  You can edit a
>> particular line and delete or insert characters.  This is *not*
>> unexpected, since Gates and Allen worked on a PDP-10 in Seattle when
>> they were teenagers, as well as using a PDP-10 to develop Altair BASIC.
> 
> The compiler version also had a screen editor, so one didn't have to
> bother typing in a line number for every line, and could easily modify
> statements, search for things, etc.  There were also debugging aides. 
> When DOS 5.0 came out, IIRC, this editor was included for everyone
> (replacing the cumbersome EDLIN), and an interpreted version of the
> BASIC, QBASIC, came with it (EDIT and QBASIC used common pieces).
> 
> I don't know if Gates/MS developed those innovations or not.  But they
> did speed up programming.
> 
>     I remember edlin. I was very pleased with it.

EDLIN was a backwards step compared to TECO. Although some might disagree.

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#150540

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2015-08-27 01:13 +0000
Message-ID<mrlo6v126qf@news4.newsguy.com>
In reply to#150537
On 2015-08-26, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:58:06 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>
>> I remember edlin. I was very pleased with it.
>
> EDLIN was a backwards step compared to TECO. Although some might disagree.

EDLIN was enough like CP/M's editor to get you started quickly,
while being different enough that you'd shoot yourself in the foot.

-- 
/~\  cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)
\ /  I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way.
 X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.
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#150544

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2015-08-26 21:55 -0500
Message-ID<mrlu4s$6f6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#150540
On 8/26/2015 8:13 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2015-08-26, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:58:06 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> I remember edlin. I was very pleased with it.
>>
>> EDLIN was a backwards step compared to TECO. Although some might disagree.
> 
> EDLIN was enough like CP/M's editor to get you started quickly,
> while being different enough that you'd shoot yourself in the foot.
> 

A lot of CP/M people (well, me) just used WordStar in "Nondoc" mode. I
don't think I've used any text editor since that allowed you to
perform block operations on any arbitrary rectangle of data (i.e. from
X1,Y1 to X2,Y2), which was occasionally useful.

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#150547

FromBob Eager <news0005@eager.cx>
Date2015-08-27 06:53 +0000
Message-ID<d47qeeF4rooU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#150544
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 21:55:56 -0500, Dave Garland wrote:

> On 8/26/2015 8:13 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2015-08-26, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:58:06 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I remember edlin. I was very pleased with it.
>>>
>>> EDLIN was a backwards step compared to TECO. Although some might
>>> disagree.
>> 
>> EDLIN was enough like CP/M's editor to get you started quickly, while
>> being different enough that you'd shoot yourself in the foot.
>> 
>> 
> A lot of CP/M people (well, me) just used WordStar in "Nondoc" mode. I
> don't think I've used any text editor since that allowed you to perform
> block operations on any arbitrary rectangle of data (i.e. from X1,Y1 to
> X2,Y2), which was occasionally useful.

I did actually pay a shareware fee for one - I used the OS/2 version. I 
think it was called the 'Technical Editor'. That facility (Block) was 
very useful at times. I think I even got the source.

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#150556

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2015-08-27 11:11 +0100
Message-ID<20150827111138.5a5ab60bfca6a29d049a76bf@eircom.net>
In reply to#150544
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 21:55:56 -0500
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:

> On 8/26/2015 8:13 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> > On 2015-08-26, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:58:06 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> >>
> >>> I remember edlin. I was very pleased with it.
> >>
> >> EDLIN was a backwards step compared to TECO. Although some might
> >> disagree.
> > 
> > EDLIN was enough like CP/M's editor to get you started quickly,
> > while being different enough that you'd shoot yourself in the foot.
> > 
> 
> A lot of CP/M people (well, me) just used WordStar in "Nondoc" mode. I

	Yep.

> don't think I've used any text editor since that allowed you to
> perform block operations on any arbitrary rectangle of data (i.e. from
> X1,Y1 to X2,Y2), which was occasionally useful.

	Brief did (a nice editor which I gave up on when I realised that my
fingers wanted me to use vi and frequently got their way).

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#150560

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
Message-ID<999782776462368024.688543peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#150544
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 8/26/2015 8:13 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2015-08-26, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:58:06 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I remember edlin. I was very pleased with it.
>>> 
>>> EDLIN was a backwards step compared to TECO. Although some might disagree.
>> 
>> EDLIN was enough like CP/M's editor to get you started quickly,
>> while being different enough that you'd shoot yourself in the foot.
>> 
> 
> A lot of CP/M people (well, me) just used WordStar in "Nondoc" mode. I
> don't think I've used any text editor since that allowed you to
> perform block operations on any arbitrary rectangle of data (i.e. from
> X1,Y1 to X2,Y2), which was occasionally useful.

Nedit.  It's a most useful feature.

-- 
Pete

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#150564

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2015-08-27 08:54 -0400
Message-ID<mrn172$dth$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#150560
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>> On 8/26/2015 8:13 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2015-08-26, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:58:06 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I remember edlin. I was very pleased with it.
>>>> 
>>>> EDLIN was a backwards step compared to TECO. Although some might disagree.
>>> 
>>> EDLIN was enough like CP/M's editor to get you started quickly,
>>> while being different enough that you'd shoot yourself in the foot.
>>> 
>> 
>> A lot of CP/M people (well, me) just used WordStar in "Nondoc" mode. I
>> don't think I've used any text editor since that allowed you to
>> perform block operations on any arbitrary rectangle of data (i.e. from
>> X1,Y1 to X2,Y2), which was occasionally useful.
>
> Nedit.  It's a most useful feature.

Emacs, lots of "rectangle" operations.

-- 
Dan Espen

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