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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again |
| Date | 2022-07-22 00:06 +0000 |
| Organization | Taughannock Networks |
| Message-ID | <tbcplk$acc$1@gal.iecc.com> (permalink) |
| References | <tb1949$3p166$1@dont-email.me> <nogCK.100017$%i2.4740@fx48.iad> <tbc74h$2hnnn$1@dont-email.me> <IphCK.599646$JVi.56751@fx17.iad> |
According to Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net>: >Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes: >>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >> >>> If you reform CH4 into H2, you can sequestor the CO >>> which is produced. This makes it "blue" h2. Grey is the >>> same but without sequestration - although note that the output >>> is carbon monoxide, not CO2. (Black is derived from coal). >> >>I looked around and couldn't find an actual means to store any >>reasonable quantity of CO. > >One can catalyze the CO into CO2 for sequestration. Which, unfortunately doesn't help, since sequestration of either CO or CO2 is a crock. A little basic chemistry tells us that you end up with more CO or CO2 than the CH2 you started with, same number of molecues but heavier. Where are you going to put it all? For every cubic foot of methane you extract, you'll have to find a place to put at least a cubic foot of CO or CO2, which means building an infrastructure to bury gas as big as the one we have to extract it. Not going to happen. If it's not obvious, the whole sequestration thing is a cynical play by the fossil fuel industry to try and distract us from the fact that we're going to have to be pumping and using a whole lot less oil and gas if we don't want to cook the planet. Vaclav Smil has written extensively about this. See this paper of his https://grist.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/energy_at_crossroads.060516.pdf or the cites in this JP Morgan paper, starting on page 11: https://vaclavsmil.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/JPM2020.pdf -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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Re: The Y2K problem - again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-19 10:48 -0700
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Re: The Y2K problem - again Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-07-18 20:53 -0700
Re: The Y2K problem - again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-18 16:05 -0400
Re: The Y2K problem - again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-18 13:13 -0700
Re: The Y2K problem - again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-18 13:15 -0700
Re: The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-18 21:01 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-18 16:24 -0400
Re: The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-18 21:13 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-19 09:34 +0100
Re: The Y2K problem - again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 18:52 -0400
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-21 00:19 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-21 13:30 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-21 17:41 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-21 17:53 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-21 14:49 -0400
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-21 19:03 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-21 16:13 -0400
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-21 21:46 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-22 07:02 -0400
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-22 18:48 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-22 21:13 +0000
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Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-23 01:39 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-23 13:45 -0500
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-22 00:06 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-22 05:57 +0100
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2022-07-22 20:53 -0400
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-23 01:40 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-25 10:20 +0100
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 14:21 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2022-08-04 22:55 +0000
Re: gas power, The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-04 23:19 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-18 20:25 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-18 21:17 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 09:00 -0500
Re: The Y2K problem - again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-19 10:48 -0700
Re: The Y2K problem - again D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 14:51 -0500
Re: The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-19 21:29 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 18:17 -0500
Re: The Y2K problem - again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-20 16:30 -0400
Re: The Y2K problem - again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-20 21:40 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 20:54 -0500
Re: The Y2K problem - again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-21 13:35 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-20 00:09 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-19 18:10 -0700
Re: The Y2K problem - again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-18 21:48 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-19 10:48 -0700
Re: The Y2K problem - again D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 14:52 -0500
Re: The Y2K problem - again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 18:46 -0400
Re: The Y2K problem - again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-20 20:16 -0400
Re: fun with fusion, The Y2K problem - again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-21 00:24 +0000
Re: fun with fusion, The Y2K problem - again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-21 19:16 -0400
Re: The Y2K problem - again (was: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC) johnson <root@example.net> - 2022-07-18 12:33 +0000
Re: The Y2K problem - again (was: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC) D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-18 11:03 -0500
Re: The Y2K problem - again (was: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC) Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-07-18 20:49 -0700
Re: The Y2K problem - again (was: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC) Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-07-18 20:47 -0700
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