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Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP

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Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> writes:
> I think the alternatives were X.25 and various "network architectures"
> from different vendors, that all looked like SNA. SNA was a complete
> mess.

The Internet That Wasn't. How TCP/IP eclipsed the Open
Systems Interconnection standards to become the global protocol for
computer networking
https://spectrum.ieee.org/osi-the-internet-that-wasnt

Meanwhile, IBM representatives, led by the company's capable director
of standards, Joseph De Blasi, masterfully steered the discussion,
keeping OSI's development in line with IBM's own business
interests. Computer scientist John Day, who designed protocols for the
ARPANET, was a key member of the U.S. delegation. In his 2008 book
Patterns in Network Architecture(Prentice Hall), Day recalled that IBM
representatives expertly intervened in disputes between delegates
"fighting over who would get a piece of the pie.... IBM played them
like a violin. It was truly magical to watch."

... snip ...

I was on Chessin's XTP TAB 2nd part of the 80s and there were some
gov/mil (including SAFENET2) so we took it too X3S3.3 ... but eventually
got told that ISO had rule they could only standardize stuff that
conformed to OSI Model.

XTP didn't because 1) supported internetworking which didn't exist in
OSI, 2) bypassed network/transport interface, 3) went directly to
LAN/MAC interface which doesn't exist in OSI.

there was joke that while (internet) IETF had rule to proceed in
standards process, there needed to be two interoperable implementations
while ISO didn't even require a standard be implementable.

co-worker at the science center was responsible for the 60s CP67-based
science centers wide-area network that morphs into the corporate
internal network (larger than arpanet/internet from just about the
beginning until sometime mid/late 80s, about the time it was force to
convert to SNA/VTAM).

comment by one of the 1969 GML inventors at the science center
https://web.archive.org/web/20230402212558/http://www.sgmlsource.com/history/jasis.htm
Actually, the law office application was the original motivation for the
project, something I was allowed to do part-time because of my knowledge
of the user requirements. My real job was to encourage the staffs of the
various scientific centers to make use of the CP-67-based Wide Area
Network that was centered in Cambridge.

...

newspaper article about some of Edson's Internet & TCP/IP IBM battles:
https://web.archive.org/web/20000124004147/http://www1.sjmercury.com/svtech/columns/gillmor/docs/dg092499.htm
Also from wayback machine, some additional (IBM missed, Internet &
TCP/IP) references from Ed's website
https://web.archive.org/web/20000115185349/http://www.edh.net/bungle.htm

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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  Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 13:34 -0700
    Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 22:10 +0000
      Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-01-01 15:36 -1000
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        Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-01-02 13:27 -1000
          Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-03 03:11 +0000
      Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:22 +0000
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        Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:29 +0000
      Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-01-02 08:27 -1000
        Re: 43 Years Of TCP/IP Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:34 +0000
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