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> i think it would be helpful to begin a WILD
> techique by beginning close to a REM cycle.
> Perhaps at the top of REM or maybe just before.
> Why?   Because it is really the only time we dream.
> So you could be laying in bed (like a big idiot)
> trying to bring about hypnogogia but there is no
> possibility at that moment.  So i think one has
> to sense when they are close to a REM cycle.
> REM is every 90 minutes generally.   Kind of built
> in evolutionary designed program.  what say hotshot
> WILD man Slider ?

### - know what you're saying/suggesting but have to totally disagree :)

rem is 'actual' sleep and we're not actually sleeping when we WILD...

i.e., rem are the few moments 'during' actual sleep when we rouse slightly  
towards waking, we begin to wake up from our sleep and this makes us  
dream, we are actually WILDing at that point albeit completely  
unconsciously so the dreams are always random and we lack all control  
because we don't even realise we're doing it... when we 'do' recognise it  
we then call that a dild instead of seeing it for what it really is: an  
unwitting/unrealised WILD...

iow: dilds don't actually exist because 'all' lucid dreams are in fact  
types of WILD  :)

the only way to get near a rem-state is to actually fall asleep and thus  
approach it from a totally unconscious pov when you start to rouse from  
that sleep, people think/imagine that wbtb creates these conditions of  
being near (or having just woken from) a rem state, but that's not at all  
the reason why they can then WILD fairly easily, the reason is simply &  
solely because they aren't fully awake yet and are thus still in a  
slightly altered state, a state it's then very easy to go WILD from and  
just as though you'd spent half an hour deliberately relaxing at some  
other time of the day...

got it? ;)

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                Re: wanna feel good ? slider <slider@atashram.com> - 2020-02-04 16:34 +0000
                Re: confirmation/validation? absolutely! :) slider <slider@anashram.com> - 2020-02-04 21:36 +0000
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                Re: confirmation/validation? absolutely! :) slider <slider@anashram.com> - 2020-02-05 16:15 +0000
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                Re: set-back slider <slider@atashram.com> - 2019-12-19 16:09 +0000
                Re: set-back - sorted! slider <slider@anashram.com> - 2019-12-25 22:25 +0000
                Re: set-back - sorted! sparkygriswold <allreadydun@gmail.com> - 2019-12-25 16:34 -0800
                Re: set-back - sorted! slider <slider@atashram.com> - 2019-12-26 02:57 +0000
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                Re: Tada! :) slider <slider@atashram.com> - 2019-11-13 18:31 +0000
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