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Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages due to rename

From	Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages due to rename
Date	2020-04-24 21:10 +0200
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On 2020-04-23 13:59:29 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 23 Apr 2020 at 02:53:06 (+0200), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2020-04-22 16:07:28 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > For trivial renames, which yours looks like, as do those I've done,
> > > it would be pretty easy to script. I've never made the effort,
> > > because it's not something I do frequently enough, usually just once,
> > > soon after I start running a new release on the first computer. Then
> > > I adjust the list of packages used for the rest of them. Manually:
> > > 
> > >  $ apt-get -s purge pdftk
> > >  The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
> > >   pdftk-java
> > >  Use 'apt autoremove' to remove it.
> > >  # apt-mark manual pdftk-java
> > >  pdftk-java set to manually installed.
> > >  $ apt-get -s purge pdftk
> > >  # apt-get purge pdftk
> > >  Removing pdftk (2.02-5) ...
> > > 
> > > (Routine output edited out.) The first step can list more packages,
> > > so checking the Depends line for the original package should show
> > > which is the replacement.
> > 
> > I think that you are over-optimistic. Imagine the following case.
> > The pdftk package has been manually installed in the past
> 
> Right…
> 
> > and is
> > not a transitional package to pdftk-java
> 
> OK, let's pretend that is true…
> (Not changing the names may be confusing.)
> 
> > (currently, this is like
> > your example).
> 
> I can't determine what you mean by this, so I'm ignoring it.
> 
> > But the system has some package that depends on
> > pdftk-java. So, when you run
> > 
> >   apt-get -s purge pdftk
> > 
> > you won't have any message about pdftk-java.
> 
> Why would I suddenly decide to purge pdftk? I installed it for a
> reason and, if it's not transitional, it's still fulfilling that
> purpose.

Since you don't want to purge pdftk, why did you decide to purge it
above?

> > Later in the future,
> > the dependency on pdftk-java disappears, so that pdftk-java will
> > be proposed for autoremoval.
> 
> No, because I'm not removing pdftk in the first place, so the rest
> of this hypothetical scenario is flawed, hence ignored:

But you did purge it. I don't follow you.

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cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages due  to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-04-21 17:20 +0200
  Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-21 17:50 +0200
    Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-04-21 18:00 +0200
      Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages due to rename deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-21 21:10 +0200
        Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-04-22 01:30 +0200
          Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages due to rename deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-22 08:40 +0200
            Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-04-22 10:10 +0200
              Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages due to rename deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-22 22:30 +0200
            Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-05-14 11:20 +0200
  Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2020-04-21 19:10 +0200
  Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-22 11:40 +0200
    Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-04-22 12:30 +0200
      Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-22 23:10 +0200
        Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-04-23 03:00 +0200
          Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 21:10 +0200
            Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-04-24 21:10 +0200
              Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-25 06:50 +0200
                Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-04-25 21:50 +0200
                Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-28 17:30 +0200
                Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-05-06 12:40 +0200
                Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-05-08 01:30 +0200
                Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2020-05-12 12:20 +0200
                Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-05-13 17:50 +0200
                Re: cleanly getting rid of manually installed transitional packages  due to rename Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-05-14 07:50 +0200

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